If Pacquiao beats Diaz and they both put in an A- performance, Pac is p4p No. 1...

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    What you just posted there is him sloppily rushing Morales after landing a very good shot to start the rush, he has great timing, nobody doubts this, and that is a combination, but not a precise combination in the like of a classical combination puncher.

    Watch the combo's Campbell landed on Diaz, they were mostly full of well picked shots and he set them up to where he was rarely open to be countered, not like Pac who just blitzes the opponent with a flurry, it's a different type of offensive assault and Pac's won't have much effect on Juan Diaz.
     
  2. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :huh

    So Pac not being a classical combination puncher means he's not a combination puncher? What does Pac do...punch one at a time? Pot shot?

    Whether your ego accepts it or not, he IS a combination puncher.
    Oh no....please don't own me now!!:lol:
     
  3. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bottom line...
    1)PAC will win over DIAZ
    2)Resume is more interesting that JMM.
    3)Pac has more drawing power than JMM. Pac can fillup big arenas
    4)If you fight pac now. YOU will mostlikely get your biggest paycheck
    No wonder everybody wants to get a piece of pac :D
    5) If campbell, casa, guzman etc fights JMM will they get their biggest pay check?
    6) PAC is more exicitng to watch than JMM

    Bottom line, Pac is better than JMM both in resume and many other things.

    You have to live with that AMSTERDAM!
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well, if we all agree what these ratings mean, it's a more precise and convenient way of describing the level of performance than "good", "slightly better than good", "a lot better than good", "very, very good", etc.

    How good is "good" anyway? On the other hand, when I say B+, people know I mean "top world class"
     
  5. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    wtf you people talking about with the other diazes. Sure juan and julio are better than david, but they got nothing significant to offer right now. David holds a legit belt which imo is also a plus, call that paper belt but its all added in the history books once you get hold of it.
     
  6. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe it's just me but I have a feeling that people on this board are trying to find a reason for Floyd NOT to be P4P instead of trying to figure out who's the best P4P.

    In my opinion, Floyd is still unbeaten, Pac is not. Diaz doesn't have the "weight" to make Pac #1. If Floyd loses his 0, then Pac has a shot. Until then... Floyd is still the best.

    Sorry for all the Floyd haters but, it's only an opinion.
     
  7. PaoloP4P

    PaoloP4P Member Full Member

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    There's nothing sloppy about this combination. The goal in this sequence was to end the fight right there and then. A flurry would be an apt description but to call it sloppy when each and every one of those punches landed and drove back Morales into retreat is just someone who has no idea what "sloppy" means. Sloppy would entail inefficient. Like I said the goal here was to end the fight. I'm not sure what this "Amsty" character has against Pac, but Pac throws combinations in different ways. The one seen in this video is when he flurries. He uses this when he's got his opponent staggered and he goes for the kill hence you see him raining punches. There's nothing sloppy about it, the opponent usually is in no position to hit back because he's on ***** street and when this is the case you throw your punches in bunches with lesser regard for defense knowing full well the opponent is in no position to hit back.

    Then there's the Pac 1-2 which is what he is most famous for. Then there's his jab-hook to the body-left up top combo (there's a sequence of this in the 3rd morales fight as well). You mix this with his constant movement and what you have is a polished offensive machine. To reitirate, Pac has different combos that he uses in different situations in a fight to great effect. He's more calculated and polished then he ever was before, in fact I would say there's isn't a more polished offensive(come-forward) fighter today. What separates him is that like a sports car, he changes gears faster when he decides to change the pace depending on how the fight is going and you can think of the types of combos that he throws as his different gears.
     
  8. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    Its just you. you have a different theory but i think its wrong. If you would visit the boards on the daily basis there are more calzaghe fans than there are pac fans. If floyd gets vacate, most here would have it for calzaghe. I can even see a few calzaghe fans try to degrade floyd in other threads.
     
  9. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Believe me, i'm here everyday, I just don't post that often.

    I wasn't arguing about Calzhage vs Floyd. I was just saying that, every occasion, wether it's Pac, Calzhage, Pavlik, Cotto... when they fight a good fighter, there is a poster that says if he beats such and such... Floyd should be kicked out of the #1 spot.

    I don't think it's the way we should look at it.
     
  10. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's been ages since pbf last fought and he is still # 1? I guess the #1 should supposedly prove you are number 1 and not resting on your laurels..

    and should be fighting the best in your DIVISION? why then will you fight a soon to be retired boxer who is just a fraction of his old self as far as over all talent, power, strength stamina is concerned. It's no brainer that ODLH is already in his twilight of his career.....and yet pbf has so far no intentions of fighting margarito or cotto?

    why fight an soon to be retired boxer? I guess this is called a certified cherry picker!!!

    for the benefit of pac haters who will call him cherry picking. How can you stupidly say pac is cherry picking if pac is fighting in a HEAVIER WEIGHT DIVISION where his main asset POWER and SPEED is not yet tested on that weight division?

    Call that cherry picking?!
     
  11. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, I was agreeing with your post until you said Pac is fighting in a heavier weight class.
    Isn't Floyd doing the same thing?
    Plus, JMM is not what he was a few years back. He's still good, but not as good... why did Pac choose him?

    Now, I like all these fighters, I won't defend one more then the other, but your arguement is not good. Floyd moved 5 WEIGHT CLASSES. How many did Pac do?
     
  12. muzkabeatz

    muzkabeatz Lurker Full Member

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    No one cares about your book :yep
     
  13. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  14. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    Nasser Hussain used to captain the England side!
     
  15. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    PAC fighting on a heavier weight class
    with somebody WHO IS IN HIS PRIME

    PBF fighting on a heavier weight class
    with sombody WHO IS ABOUT TO RETIRE and a FRACTION of his
    old self

    WHY DOES PBF fight somebody on a HEAVIER WEIGHT CLASS who is in his PRIME? Too risky?

    OK!OK! it's too risky? so why does he does not want to fight COTTO or MARGARITO? I'm talkng about the time even before the COTTO vs MARGARITO was concieved!

    If PAC did not fight JMM. PAC will be cursed FOREVER for NOT fighting
    him for the second time. In other words it's a MUST FIGHT for the so
    called UNFINISHED BUSINESS. Right now, some JMM fans is still
    cursing PAC not immediately fighting JMM

    PBF fighting old washed up ODLH for what? Nobody is saying that PBF
    is avoiding ODLH? Remember how OVERHYPED the first fight was?!