if Pacquiao stops Marquez p4p # 1 ?

You are going to be loosing some dough if you bet the way your post suggests. Look....PAC is not the same fighter you are talking about. The PAC that was cheated out of a win 4 yrs ago against JMM has vastly improved overall.

He's not just the 1-2 punch combo fighter. JMM is still the same counter puncher that PAC meet in 04. He may be a bit more aggressive but he'll still show his same "spots". If PAC is as terrible as you say, then JMM must be some hot garbage b/c the guy that PAC just dominated in MAB not too long ago JMM had a very close competitive bout against.

Given those two preformances it is easy to guage how this fight will play out. But PAC seems to be re-dedicated so it may be a bit more one sided than you can ever imagine. Should be a pretty competitive fight for the 1st few rounds. I think JMM will do well in spots but ultimately gets KO or UD'd in a one sided affair.

 

I know what boxrec says about PBF - but watch the fight! He lost the first one!

Hatton...yeah...just outside p4p Top 15...but he is not a WW; he is a LWW. Mayweather is a WW.

 

No son I go by the ring P4P ranking and I don't go by boxrec.com I go by my fight archives.

A real boxing fans goes straight to the footage to see whats real.

 

Sorry...I forgot The Ring read the mind of God...or maybe just took a short-cut by asking George W. Bush, instead. What did The Ring say happened in PBF v. JLC 1?

 

Yes. Simple. Purely based on him beating JMM.

Through resume more so than talent over Floyd.

Floyds competition over the last 2 years does not mean he should be hook line and sinker #1.

Pac won't beat JMM though, Marquez UD.

 

Nothing, but the tape I have of the fight tells me that JLC took alot of shots and was getting beat to the punch all night.

He had his moments but nothing effective ... If you payed close attention to the fight instead of the commentators then you wouldve seen that Floyd fought a brilliant fight and didn't let anyone control the way he fought.

I had it 116-112 and thats only because Floyd took some rounds off to block and duck punches ... in the championship rounds JLC was done. He was desperate and looking for a miracle.

 

I have JLC by 1-2 rounds. In any case, nothing less than a draw.

Anyway, you are not the first to disagree with me, and I am not the first to think JLC won that one...so let's drop it.

 

Agreed but he's been the undisputed P4P king since he beat Gatti back in 05'

No one has beaten him and I think more than anything he must have a less than stellar performance or a controversal decision. Along w/ Pacquiao having a huge win over Marquez.

Since PBF won his last fight against a top 5 P4P fighter by KO he's fine for now.

Marquez is a legit top 10 P4P guy and a win over him would just solidify his #2 spot.

But like you said brah he won't win ...

 

Cool

I respect your opinion being a boxing fan and would not dispute anything you believe.

 

True, but to me its ludicrous that he was a dead certainty for #1 after Gatti anyway. I mean really, Gatti makes you the #1:-( I'm not knocking Floyds talents because I know he is the best technician in the game, full stop, but the only 2 opponents who stand out to me in the last 2 years are Judah (although coming off a loss), and Oscar (good win because it was 154). Manny is not as skilled as Floyd, or Joe Calzaghe for that matter, but to me, if he beats JMM, who is never mind a top 10P4P but a top 4, you have to go to number 1. I don't envisage it will happen mind, JMM has Mannys number, especially at 130, but for someone who is P4P #2/3 to beat the P4P #3/4 has to take you to number one when you consider the recent resume of the #1, with his most recent a stoppage of the number #8/9 P4P (not top 5!). Of course someone can twist what I have just said by saying that JMM surely has to be crowend the new #1 if he dethrones Manny, and there is a legit case for this. Depends what way you look at it I suppose, I'm just blabbing now.:dead

 

p4p means the ability to dominate peers in your own weight class. So far no one have come close to what Floyd did. He started his career at 130 and has been very dominant throughout his career. Floyd beat a lot of primed fighters at 130 and 135. Decent oppositions at 140 and good oppositions at 147 and beat a much bigger Oscar at 154. He got number 1 locked for a while. Manny is number 2 for he too started his career light but he did lose to a out of prime morales.

 

The last time PBF beat a Top 15 p4p WW was two years ago - Judah. So he became No.1, yeah. But the winner of Pacquiao v. JMM will most likely do better than that - both are Top 5 p4p. PBF would have to beat Cotto to reclaim the top spot...sorry.

 

You're now making up your own definition of what P4P means ... when it comes down to it, its a matter of opinion.

I think P4P means that your talent despite being at a particular division can take you to success in heavier or lighter divisions.

Pacquiao is a P4P great, Marquez, Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hopkins and Cotto.

 

If Floyd beat Judah who was the last top 15 welterweight P4P, then who did Cotto beat?

 

Judah and Mosley...Top 8 p4p, on the back of recent Malignaggi and Quintana victories at LWW.