If post prison Tyson totally recommitted to training...

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  1. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    (I know the short answer is, then he wouldnt be Tyson)
    But lets say he 100% commits to training under Kevin Rooney, or your best trainer of choice. If that is the case and his aspirations are all about being and staying the champ, how does he fare for the rest of his career under those circumstances?
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He still drops trainers.

    I'm in the minority with most Tyson fans, but I always thought when Rooney was steering the ship, he was walking the plank at the same time. The sand was always going out of the hourglass.

    He still loses in that same timeframe he did. There was quite a few pedigreed up and comers from that 88 timeframe, plus Commander Vander moving up. Whole different ballgame than Mike facing the old guys when he had the youthful reflexes advantage.
     
  3. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Post prison Tyson did add that fantastic overhand right.
     
  4. Malcolm

    Malcolm Active Member Full Member

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    Low jab and overhand right, how many post prison fights did he win with that?
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How many of his pre prison fighters were as good as Evander Holyfield?
     
  6. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Was an effective weapon against McNeeley, scored the first knockdown with it and set up the finish later.

    It was a good weapon against Bruno, had him backing up early from it.

    And of course Botha might be the best single punch knock out of Tyson's career.
     
  7. Malcolm

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    From memory, both KD's (and a broken neck) against Golota came from that combo too.
     
  8. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He also made Ettiene look like Gumby with the right hand, no jab.

    And he hurt Holyfield in the first round of their first fight with an overhand right.
     
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    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ...I think was totally committed to training for the second Holyfield fight. He still wasn't the same as 88.
     
  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    He would have been formidable. Watching post-prison Tyson you can't help but notice the drop in the amount of head movement. He also was much less active and seemed to be much more enamored with his power. Is understandable that someone that young, and from that background would believe all of the hype. I knew you was trouble when he stated that he could train himself.

    I think he would have beaten Rid**** Bowe and I like his chances against Lennox Lewis at their primes.
     
  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet still Holyfield takes him into deep waters and drowns him, so does Buster Douglas...
     
  12. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    I agree with you on Holyfield.

    I am much less sure about Douglas. Even that version of Tyson was able to catch him and may well have been able to finish the job.
     
  13. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your initial post is confusing

    In the title, you seem to be saying what if he got a better trainer post prison

    Then, in the body of your post you seem to be saying, "What if Tyson never left Rooney."

    If you are talking about post prison, I think it was too late for Rooney to fix much.

    Too much rust, bad habits and physical punishment had been incurred by then.

    Maybe, Rooney could have gotten him back to 70 percent of what he once was.

    I still think he probably would have lost to Holyfield and Lewis.

    If you're talking about what would have happened if he never left Rooney in the first place? I don't think he would have lost to Douglas. Most people, I think share this belief. A few like Wass85, think Douglas would always beat Tyson. I think Wass is in the minority in believing that.
     
  14. TerribleTerry73

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    Holyfield and Lewis still win.