If Wilder Beats Fury..?

If Wilder beats Fury then he runs from Whyte like he always did, outprices himself out of the AJ fight and then he continues to fight bums like always. Wash, rinse repeat

 

To be honest, being proven wrong about Wilder being a habitual coward (something his long record of ducking to date bears out) would be worth it for the entertainment value of finally seeing the top heavyweights fighting each other.

Having said that...
For starters, Ortiz is basically gatekeeper level, the only reason that isn't more obvious is that he's very rarely fought anyone better than a journeyman, when Jennings is by far his best win you simply have to question what the hell he's done with his career if he believed he was a genuine contender.

I strongly suspect that if Wilder beats Fury he'll go back to fighting journeymen and gatekeepers - he might fancy Whyte now that he's declined a bit, but he's had a cherrypick for the resume go badly wrong in Fury and may not even fancy that...

I can't see him for one moment taking on AJ or Usyk, but as before, I'll be happy to be proven wrong if he finally decided to attempt to step up - I don't think there's much reason to think it'd be a successful attempt, but it'd be worthy of respect and praise.

Honestly though, I just don't think leopards change their spots - Wilder has always very carefully picked his fights to avoid dangerous opponents in peak condition, it would be a surprise if he changed now (I do have a theory there, though, that fighting lower level opponents and keeping the zero with high KO% was his easier route to lasting legacy, but now that's gone he may actually decide that the only way to build a legacy now is the hard/proper way - we'll see though, I'm not convinced he values legacy enough to want those fights TBH)

 

That or they genuinely believed that arbitration would come down on their side - if they believed that the third fight was time limited (it sounds like it was supposed to be) and that other fights happening meant Wilder had no excuse for dragging his heels in agreeing a date for III then I can see why they'd just go for it and try to move on...
Either arbitration would favour them (and you can see why they'd expect it to) or they'd force Wilders hand to finally push to get the fight on - either way, it'd get them out of no-mans land.

Arguably it was shitty to build up hope that undisputed was finally happening, but if the whole point was just to make "something" happen then it worked.

 

If Wilder wins I think he fights AJ (assuming AJ beats Usyk) for undisputed. I think Wilder knows that the time is now and cant keep looking to build up the fight vs AJ.

 

If he beats the WORLD champ in their THIRD meeting in THREE years ... then he 'continues to fight bums like always' ...

Let's say that out loud this time: If he beats the WORLD CHAMP in their THIRD meeting in THREE YEARS ... then he continues to fight bums like always.



I know it takes some people longer to catch up than others, but ...

 

You beat this very tired drum.

Luis Ortiz is rated in the top 10 in EVERY organization and is currently rated #6 by Ring. I know you don't like to acknowledge that, but it is true. Ortiz has been highly rated by Ring magazine since 2015 (six straight years). Luis Ortiz HAS NEVER been a gatekeeper. He has been a highly rated heavyweight contender for SIX YEARS. Everyone TO THIS DAY rates him as a top heavyweight contender. And he has only lost to Wilder.

And I know you don't like to acknowledge this either, but Tyson Fury is the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. The only blemish on his record is his two-knockdown Draw when Wilder successfully defended his WBC title against Fury in their first fight.

I know you don't like to acknowledge this, but Deontay Wilder has been rated in the Top 10 by Ring for 401 STRAIGHT WEEKS - nearly eight years. And, for the last six years, he hasn't been rated lower than #3 by Ring.

These guys have been among the VERY TOP HEAVYWEIGHTS for half a decade or more.

In consecutive bouts, Wilder has faced Luiz Ortiz, Tyson Fury, Breazeale (his WBC mando), Luis Ortiz (again), Tyson Fury (again) and he is fighting Tyson Fury (YET AGAIN) in his next bout.

You simply sound dumb at this point. No heavyweight has faced better competition since 2018 than Deontay Wilder.

You are so far behind the times it is comical. Catch up.

I don't like replying to your posts because they are so hopelessly out of date. It's like you are just copying and pasting posts you made under another name from YEARS ago. It's tiresome.

CATCH UP.

It is 2021. The heavyweight who has been fighting the best heavyweights since 2018 is DEONTAY WILDER. If you don't see this, you are years behind the times.

How many YEARS does it take you to get up to speed?

CATCH UP.

 

Let's remind ourselves... Fury is only a belt holding world champion because he beat Wilder (arguably twice).

Let's say it again, maybe even out loud, for good measure... Fury is only a belt holding world champion because he beat Wilder.

I was surprised Wilder dared to take the second fight having been pretty comfortably schooled in the first (and I wouldn't be so patronising as to pretend you're not fully aware that you're in a tiny minority of people with the first clue about boxing that doesn't see the first fight as a robbery)... Then again, in I, Fury kept the range to where Wilder likes it and he probably fancied getting the knockout in the second, not considering that Fury might completely change everything (and to be fair, not many people did!) - there's little reason to doubt that Wilder regrets going back for seconds, I suspect it's only pride that has him going back for thirds.

Let's not pretend that Wilder isn't going into this clearly the underdog and for good reason - at very least he's been comprehensively dismantled once and granted a rather generous draw once.

Hey, a punchers chance is still a punchers chance.

 

The point is there's a HUGE difference between "fighting the best" and "beating the best".

I know you get very, very touchy with anyone disagreeing with you over Wilder (in a way you don't on other topics and fighters) but your framing seems almost like deliberate propaganda at times.

Ortiz has never proven to be a genuine, serious contender - I don't care what biased lists might consider him to be but I have my own eyes and my own ability to weigh up someone's best wins and losses and judge where they stand... For me, Ortiz has beaten far too few serious fighters to be considered a contender, the only thing that gets him close is that he was outboxing Wilder (a genuine contender thanks to power) up until his stoppages, but he's not the only one to do so and I don't place a huge amount of weight on that.

It seems like the main (perhaps even only) reason you defend Ortiz is because it helps to big up Wilder, but I have no such biases and I'm not going to do so, sorry.

I don't know why you get so touchy over Wilder, you actually come across pretty sane on most other threads, but you turn into the most rabid fanboi when it comes to Deontay and I just don't get it.

 

You can't fight anyone better in all of boxing than the undefeated, 6'9" 270 pound current World Heavyweight Champion.

Forget pound-for-pound garbage. Forget all that nonsense.

You can't fight anyone better in the entire sport than the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.

No one in boxing can fight anyone better. That's as high as you go. Everyone else is a lesser opponent.

Wilder is fighting him for the third time in three years ... and he's already floored him two times and successfully defended his title with a draw against Fury.

And Ortiz was a highly rated contender both times Wilder knocked him out and continues to be a highly rated contender to this very moment. He's been one of the highest rated contenders for SIX STRAIGHT YEARS. By everyone. Still.

I'm not defensive, I'm just tired of explaining things to people who refuse to acknowledge reality.

STOP ARGUING.

You are YEARS behind nearly everyone else.

CATCH UP.

Let me know when you do. Until then, I have nothing to say to a guy who is so slow to acknowledge what's happening around him.

 

Successfully defended (LOL)

 

Yes. Successfully defended. Did Jack Johnson successfully defend against Battling Jim Johnson? Did Tommy Burns successfully defend against Philadelphia Jack O'Brien? Did Lennox Lewis successfully defend against Evander Holyfield? Did Evander successfully defend against Lennox? Did Chris Byrd successfully defend against Golota? Did Hasim Rahman successfully defend against James Toney? Did Wilder successfully defend against Fury? Yes.

Did Jack, Tommy, Lennox, Evander, Hasim or Chris floor their challenger twice? No.

Did Wilder floor his challenger twice? Yes.

Do you need to catch up, too?

 

It's the way you try spinning the defence as a positive for Wilder lol.

There is not a single person alive who thinks the draw was just.

It's like trying to credit Holyfield for drawing with Lewis (LOL)

 

It's very difficult to avoid being as condescending and rude in return... Please, have a little civility, you're making yourself look bad.

I've already said I'm not bothered whether a magazine list or a boxrec list rates Ortiz highly - I don't. His best win is Jennings by a mile and he's not done that much besides that.
I don't care that he's only been beaten by one fighter when he's only fought one top quality fighter, the lack of good names on his resume suggests he's not really trying to get fights that will prove his place in the division, and that says as much as if he'd gone in with them and lost more fights.

Again, I'll acknowledge that Wilder has been in with Fury, I'll even grant that it was a ballsy move to go back for seconds after a highly contentious draw granted him a (using your word) successful title defence that most observers with the first clue about boxing felt was either very generous or an outright robbery... Heck, going back for III took balls too, it might be holding Fury back from other fights but it still takes guts to go back in with a guy that demolished you that badly.

However, it's not reasonable to suggest that Wilders performance in II is to his credit - he was thoroughly demolished and brought shame on himself with pathetic excuses in the aftermath.

Look we can disagree on these things, we're two people on the internet who will never meet, who cares if we agree?
But there's no way I'm taking the line you're taking here buddy, even if I'm as generous as I possibly could be (something I don't normally do, preferring not to bias my opinions) I'd struggle to get to your positions on this... But that's okay too, if you believe you can justify it that's fine, even if very few people agree with you, you have the right to your own thoughts and analysis.

 

Not a single person alive?

Except for the millions who do think it was just, as well as two of the three official judges, as well as former champs like George Foreman ... and we're not even counting those who believe the fight could've easily been waived over in the 12th.

I guess you haven't been paying attention, either.

You guys wouldn't be so confused if you actually kept up.

IF Wilder wins his third heavyweight title fight with Fury, I'm sure he everything will turn out just fine for the division.

As long as Joshua doesn't have a panic attack and choke again at the thought of it and lose to another late sub.

 

Why does Fury deserve to be called a world champion by anyone? He lost that status when he took a 2 1/2 year hiatus from the sport. His only claim to fame outside of the Wilder fights is the Klitschko fight.

And Ortiz hasn't done much to back up his status as a dangerous contender