If Wilder Never Fought Again..?

I think being a world champion holds alot of weight with some people's opinions regardless of the opposition

I suppose a way of possibly looking at it is during his career, what HWs were around or passing through and who would you rate above him in his career time line

He turned pro at the end of 2008, so from 2008 to today, what HWs during that time would you rate higher?

I would think based on resume the HWs below would be rated higher resume wise but some have never held a world title
I guess in no particular order

Fury
Wladimir Klitschko
Anthony Joshua
Vitali Klitschko
Kubrat Pulev
Dillian Whyte
Alexander Povetkin
Oleksandr Usyk
David Haye

Spring to mind
I guess some I guess may add Parker or Ruiz or completely disagree

I am expecting some to completely dismiss David Haye, but if they do consider in Hayes short time at HW he KOd prime Chisora (who when faded has pushed Parker, Usyk, Whyte), beat world champ Valuev away, beat Ruiz who had then arguably been America's best HW for the last decade.

If you agree, where would you rank some of these HWs?

 

Yes but you still can't get around the fact that his power is untested against elite opposition.
Fury was hardly considered iron chinned before the trilogy. as he'd been dropped by a cruiser. So what happens when he fights someone like Joyce who is considered to have a good chin? I'll tell you......nothing because Joyce would still be standing and would then proceed to rag doll him.
Like with Fury you can't guess what would happen when there's no evidence to back it up. fighting one decent fighter is not a proof.
Also I've explained this many times before. A lot of heavy handed fighters look great until they step up the competition. it's only when they step up against the elite do you understand how good that power is. and frankly there's little evidence with Wilder that his power stands upto close scrutiny. a trilogy fight against a skilled but unfit Fury does not prove anything. Just compare his resume to someone like Lewis or even better Ali...it's like night and day. I know fanboys will try and belittle other greats to make there argument but there's levels to this and the current generation haven't proved anything upto this point. Until they all fight each other which is unlikely at this point. then we will never know.
I prefer however to base an informed opinion on evidence and not make believe.

 

Can you imagine Doublechin not doing a spastic post full of fallacy arguments?
No.
Wilder was protected and had his run at champ is one of the most embarrasing in recent memory.
Peoplle on here are happy to crap on Joshua however he unified with far fewer fights and was fighting ranked fighters ftom an early stage in his career. Wilder only took Fury because he was a name and because he thought he was washed up.
A cherry pick gone wrong...
Joyce would smash Wilder to pieces and make Fury and Wilder look bad because of it. making there trilogy have contect and show that neither is as good as everyone on here likes to think. The fact is neither would take that fight in the first place...

 

So knocking out everyone for 12 years ... making more successful title defenses in a single reign than every heavyweight champion in history but Louis, Wlad and Holmes ... knocking out everyone he's faced as a pro except the current World Heavyweight Champion who outweighed him by 40 pounds in all their fights ... yet Wilder floored Fury hard four times ... isn't proof of anything ...

Because Wilder hasn't knocked down 13-fight pro Joe Joyce yet ... who is ELITE? Fury's not elite, but Joe Joyce IS?



Brits, man. I swear to God.

I hope Wilder fights Joyce. The moment Wilder drops him, everyone claiming Joyce was the next Chuvalo will talk about how Joyce has never had his chin tested, either. It's an endless cycle with Wilder on this board.

If Wilder retires and doesn't fight again ... the sport will be worse off.

He's been the only consistent fighter at the top of the division for the better part of a decade. Those guys are hard to come by.

Trust me, when titles changes hands every year, or multiple times a year, you "wish" for someone to come along and rack up a handful of defenses.

 

Well, Joyce better get busy. He's older than Wilder and Fury and hasn't won anything yet.

 

Yes but your ignoring the truth that those defences could have been against live bodies which they weren't so his run is meaningless.
It's called context.
Also I clearly said Fury is one of the best. however it cannot be denied that he wasn't in elite condition for two of the three fights.
That's just a fact you knob gobbler.
Wilder wouldn't fight Joyce in a million years you fanny. Wilder was to busy getting outboxed by C level cruisers and you think he beats all the top guys at heavy?
The thing with all of you Fury and Wilder knob gobblers is that you have to big the other up as the best becasue the rest of the resumes are shite. and that's just a fact.....
If Wilder comes back which I doubt it will be fighting bums like Martin or Kong. he won't go anywhere near the top 10 guys. and that fact alone should tell you everything. I stopped being a complete fanboy when I was about 10 yrs old. The fact that grown men do it on here is embarrassing and tragic. and shows stunted mental development.

 

Joyce has low mileage and the rest of the division is looking to cash out over the next year or two tops. Joyce will be fine and is in a good position.

 

In good position to what? Maybe win a vacant belt and maybe make one successful defense?

Look out Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Wlad Klitschko and Deontay Wilder ... Joe Joyce is about to go on an epic title defense run. (Once he gets around to winning a belt, that is.)

Who's the "knob gobbler?"

 

Well if he unified or became undisputed then it would be a far bigger achievement than sitting on a paper belt fighting bum C level cruisers and with far fewer fights. Even Usyk's resume is better than Wilders at Heavy just let that sink in you fanny.....
Don't even compare Vlad. Louis or Holmes run to Wilders ....Jesus wept you're deluded. They fought the best that were there at the time. Wilder didn't even attempt that.

 

Oh yeah..you're clearly the knob gobbler......

 

Scott Frank, Alfredo Evangelista, Leroy Jones and Lorenzo Zanon, your table is ready.

Jack Roper, Al McCoy, Harry Thomas and Johnny Pacheck, your table is ready.

Alex Leapai, Mariusz Wach, Ray Austin and Eddie Chambers, your table is ready.

Joe Joyce, your table is ready.

 

He had better get busy if he's going to accomplish anything. Lack of mileage is helpful when you're 32-35, but approaching 40 your body declines even for HWs. Maybe he will try to be the next George Foreman, but I don't think that's going to work out for him.

 

I agree he has to get on it. If we look at what Joshua and Fury have been saying recently and well Usyk is the oldest and with the conflict in Ukraine it might be his career done. I hope it isn't because I like Usyk the most. Wilder I don't think will come back and if he does won't fight the other top guys. So yeah Joyce isn't going to gave a long reign but he could definately clear out if the others have retired.
We will have to see how things pan out.

 

No where in top 100 worst resume and worst champion every

 

I think a good solid 90s guy like Ray Mercer would run right through Wilder