If Wilder took on the same fights AJ did

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Would Wilder done better than AJ with same fights AJ took

  1. Same outcome

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  2. Done better

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  3. Come off worse with more L's

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  1. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    Wlad was totally shot. He couldn't pull the trigger anymore and after struggling to get past Bryant Jennings who Luis Ortiz brutally KOed with ease he only managed to land 18 power shots in total against Fury. 18. In Total. Then he takes a two year layoff. Tell me more about how great a 41 year old coming off a 2 year layoff and a loss is again I'm waiting
     
  2. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess it's subjective but I always said Wilder was a fraud, my posts here go back years. I was proven 100% correct. Yes, he had crazy power but fought tomato cans for nearly his whole career and couldn't box his way out of a paper bag.
     
  3. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    Look if you're going to dissect and deconstruct Wilder's entire record like that all I'm saying is keep that same energy for Joshua. His record is loaded with 40 year old men top to bottom and many of the same types of guys Wilder was also fighting. And after losing to a puncher never facing another puncher again after that
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joshua fought Whyte in 2015 and wobbled Joshua with his best punch the left hook counter. Wilder in 2015 was hurt and wobbled by a left hook from journeymen Molina. So I wouldn't rule out Whyte KOing Wilder as his left hook counter slept durable guys like Chisora. Now if Wilder fought that version of Whyte in his 15th fight like Joshua did, Wilder definitely is getting KO'ed as that Wilder was dropped by Sconiers and Nichols and was far to raw at that stage to beat that version of Whyte.

    Wlad definitely beats him and stops him, that version of Wlad may have been past prime but there was a reason why Wilder never attempted to unify any version of Wlad beats any version of Wilder, Wlad was simply on a completely different level.

    Parker of course beats him. I favoured Parker back when he had the WBO title when there was talk of Wilder and Parker unifying in 2017 and favoured him again when they actually fought. Style wise Parker would always back Wilder up and make him ineffective. Parker decisions Wilder again if they fought in 2018 when he faced Joshua.

    Povetkin KO's Wilder. Lets be real Povetkin would have no problem backing Wilder up and then getting inside and KOing him. Povetkin even the faded version Joshua fought was far too technically superior and adept at landing his shots for Wilder to have gone the distance. Povetkin stops him inside 6 rounds.

    Ruiz Jr in 2019 is a fight that could go either way. Ruiz can definitely back Wilder up and make him look bad, I see Ruiz racking out rounds as Wilder much like in the Ortiz fights is unable to do much as he's backed up constantly and fears being countered. Maybe Wilder can do what he did vs Ortiz and score the come from behind KO, but Ruiz has a better chin than Ortiz, he took a huge combo off Joshua and got up, I'm not sure Wilder can keep him down and would be too vulnerable trying to finish Ruiz to being countered. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Ruiz took it to the score cards and then they rob Ruiz Jr with a draw like they did against Fury.

    Usyk backs Wilder up breaks him down and stops him around the 8th or 9th rounds. Wilder loses every minute of every round it's one of Usyk's easiest fights at heavyweight. Style wise we saw how Parker completely nullified Wilder, well Usyk has a similar style in pressing and being elusive only he does everything better than Parker, so it's even more one sided. Wilder gets beat down badly.
     
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  5. RGBoxing

    RGBoxing Member Full Member

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    Excellent analytical break down how would you see Wilder Vs Pulev playing out I am thinking a bit like Ortiz 1 maybe a bit more successful than Ortiz due to his excellent jab his jab could even be good enought to get him the win
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah I thought about adding that as a honourable mention, Pulev would have been a tough fight for Wilder because he'd get out jabbed badly and would have to come from behind to win. But at some point Wilder stands his ground and jumps on him and Pulev simply doesn't have the foot work of the head movement to get out of the way and probably eats a right hand and gets stopped.
     
  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Obviously worse.

    Vs Whyte - Lose
    Vs Martin -Win
    Vs Breazeale - Win
    Vs Molina - Win
    Vs Wlad - Lose
    Vs Takam - Win
    Vs Parker - Lose
    Vs Povetkin - Lose
    Vs Ruiz - Lose
    Vs Pulev - could go either way
    Vs Usyk - Lose
    Vs Franklin - Win
    Vs Helenius - win
    Vs Wallin - could go either way
     
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  8. TheWizard

    TheWizard I Got Milk Baby Full Member

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    Takam isn't brutally stopping anyone.
     
  9. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder says hello.
     
  10. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Easy KO for Wilder
     
  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder beats everyone Joshua did up until the Klitschko fight. After that Klitschko fight Wilder probably loses to Parker and then Povetkin. Wilder doesn't lose again until Usyk 2x and then beats everyone Joshua beat since Usyk 2
     
  12. tragedy

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    Parker; yes. 41 year old Wlad and 39 year old Povetkin; I don't know. I don't like how these two names get trumped up so much given how old they were at this point. Wilder is extremely limited but he was still a young and fresh fighter when those fights could have happened. I'm ok with saying that Wilder loses those fights because yeah he was just that flawed, but thats the best possible version of Wilder vs the worst possible versions of Wlad and Povetkin. Who I don't think anyone can argue about is Parker. Thats what really separates Joshua's record from Wilder's record. The difference between the two all really hinges on that one win. But its such an outdated win at this point that I don't know how big it is. Thats why I say when you really break down Joshua and Wilder's record they're not really that different.
     
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  13. Joy_Rones

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    Wilder would spark Whyte and Pulev. One has no chin, the latter no defense. Takam is a clever cat and would be on his bike the whole evening and lose a decision. Wallin gets stopped. Ruiz gets stopped. Wilder probably sparks Ngannou in a similar fashion to AJ.

    I see Povetkin giving Wilder trouble, possibly winning.

    Wlad would smash Wilder.

    Usyk will either 12-0 him or stop him late.

    Jo Parker 12-0(duh)
     
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  14. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    vs AJ's best opponents:

    Whyte - Without doubt ends in a KO, I'd favour Wilder about 60/40
    Wlad - Wlad KO's Wilder late
    Parker - Parker UD like their actual fight
    Povetkin - Povetkin UD or late stoppage
    Ruiz - Wilder late come from behind KO or Ruiz UD, i'd probably favour the former
    Pulev - Wilder mid-late come from behind KO
    Usyk - Usyk UD in one of the most one sided schoolings ever
    Wallin - Wilder mid come from behind KO
     
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  15. RGBoxing

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    I think Whyte at the time gives Wlder all kinds of problems he even said before anyone else the way to beat Wilder is to back him up with constant pressure and don't forget this would of been a fresh Whyte whos chin had not been cracked still a bit green but Wilder would of been even greener.
    Wilder was getting knocked down by Harold Sconiers in his 13 fight at this point in his career so for me Whyte probably stops him in his 15th I could also see Whyte walking on to a big right hand.
    But if Wilder took on Whyte in his 15th pro fight like AJ did I would not be confident in him landing Whyte would of mauled him then you have to remember how unwilling Wilder is/was to learn I mean Wilder was still fighting people Whyte would easily beat well into 30+fights