If Wilder took on the same fights AJ did

If Fury is a fraud, doesn't look great for the goat p4p all time usyk

 

Good and fair post

 

One has no chin, the latter no defense

Is that Whyte and Pulev or Wilder you’re talking about?

 

Wouldn't bet that big on that.

 

Whyte and Pulev.

Pulev is no bum by any means, but not elite either. Has a good chin, but he's a stiff and doesn't move his head. Very basic 1-2 euro style. The bombs he took from Wlad would have outright killed somebody else though.

Whyte is... not a bum either. But one bomb from Wilder early and he will be apprehensive for the rest of the fight and eventually get caught hard. Some years ago I actually favored Whyte in this match up, but looking back now I like Bumzquad by stoppage.

 

If Wilder fights Joshua's opponents in the same order and timeframe as Joshua did? Hmm. He doesn't do well. Let's break it down.

Skelton, Johnson and Sprott all give him kittens. But we'll assume he wins those. Still, Wilder's handlers are desperate to give him more patsies to bowl over, maybe thirty or more? Wilder is so raw and unprepared for any type of step up!

Fifteenth fight, and it's time to take on the undefeated Dillian Whyte. Sink or swim time Deontay! Whyte unloads on Wilder from the get go. A wild shootout ensues as both fighters try to take the other's heads off. For the sake of argument we'll say Wilder gets the win, but the fight's taken years off his career and badly shaken him.

Martin up next. The hapless Martin outboxes Wilder but gets sloppy and eats a right hand late in the fight. Stoppage, but real questions being asked about how good Wilder actually is.

Breazeale and Molina next. They both give him way more problems than they did when he actually fought them. But since he beat them in reality I'll assume a green Wilder does so as well. Hard assume. But for comparison's sake realise that the actual Wilder in his seventeenth and eighteenth fights was taking on double digit losses Damon Reed and Dominique Alexander.

By the time he signs to fight Wlad (lol) Wilder's already had a ton of hard, wearing fights. This is the end of the road for him. Cash out time. Wlad toys with him and catches him with the same right hand that put down Joshua. But Wilder doesn't get up. First definite loss of Wilder's career.

Wilder weirdly takes Takam as his comeback opponent. The canny and compact Takam gives Wilder hell, and takes him to a decision. Wilder might get a robbery win here depending on how one-sided the fight is and how much marketability his handlers think he still has. But at this point Wilder is in Tony Yoka territory. Everyone knows he's a fraud.

Parker fight. Parker completely outpoints him like in did in reality. Second clear loss of Wilder's career. Time to call it a day?

Alexander Povetkin. What are Wilder's handlers thinking? Run for the hills! Needless to say Povetkin completely destroys him and knocks him out with a sharp counter right hand over Wilder's jab with Wilder against the ropes. Definite retirement talks time.

Ruiz. Wilder's confidence and chin are completely shot now. He fights a timid fight with no expectation of winning. Ruiz plods around the ring and does enough to win a decision, putting Wilder down a couple of times. But Wilder's tentativeness don't give Ruiz enough openings to land a definite KO shot. Just retire already Deontay!

Ruiz rematch. Why is this fight happening again? Same result as the first, only Wilder tries his chances against a morbidly obese Ruiz and gets KOed for his trouble. How embarrassing.

Kubrat Pulev. I hate Pulev so I'll just say Wilder magically gets a win here. Yay! Back in the winning bracket!

Usyk. Urgh. Complete domination. Wilder is basically a journeyman at this stage, and Usyk is criticised for taking on such an obviously shot opponent that's nowhere near his level.

Usyk 2. How could you Usyk? Go fight someone good like, uh, Daniel Dubois!

Jermain Franklin. Wilder somehow survives but loses a lopsided decision.

Robert Helenius. The big Finn knocks him out. Wilder can't take a shot anymore.

Wallin. Decision win for Otto.

Ngannou. Ouch. Wilder gets flatlined for the third time in his career, and losing to a 0-1 MMA fighter is the final straw. He packs it in, retiring with a record of 31 fights, 20 wins, 11 losses, 7 losses by way of KO.

 

Kind of tongue in cheek, obviously, but also thinking seriously about how he would do.

Personally I don't think a fifteen and O Wilder gets past Whyte in reality. There's a reason he had thirty or so fights against absolute dross before stepping up top top fifty guys. But I'm willing to entertain the idea that a Wilder pushed faster at the start of his career ends up swimming more than drowning, up until the inevitable destruction at the hands of Wlad.

 

I can’t see him beating Whyte or takam both are smart enough to shut down the range and get rough on the inside, I think wilder is getting to much credit here.
He didn’t fight anyone of the calibre of takam Whyte or pulev, well he did actually and that was Ortiz and he only won thanks to some serious corruption, let’s be real.
He only beat Ortiz because he was given a gift, the start of the 8th round Wilder's corner signalled to the referee to call time out to inspect Wilder's face giving him around an extra 20 seconds of recovery time to check his invisible cuts, an absolute travesty that saved Wilder from getting knocked out. This was wilders first real challenge and he deserved to lose.
He was never a boxer he kidnapped a belt and made excuses for any deficiencies he had, he was willing to throw his trainer Mark Breland under the bus and accused him of spiking his water, after he said that fury’s gloves were loaded and his costume was too heavy.
But he had heart he got up from some heavy shots, and that’s the only credit he deserves.
He wasn’t a boxer and his career was as manufactured as any in boxing history, without the 2 seconds at the start of the 8th round against Ortiz he would have been long forgotten.
Good riddance to the most despicable champion in boxing history.

 

Wilder had all the physical tools to be a great fighter, but never the mentality. But that's part and parcel of the fighter, and can't really be separated. Plus, a lot of Wilder's success relied on his unwillingness to change, and his firm belief in the fight ending change of his right hand. Had he been a smarter fighter, more willing to learn, he might ironically not have been as effective a one. Sometimes that dumb insistence on one way of doing things can take you far. But it's always going to trip you up at some point.

As for whether he was more talented than Joshua, that's a hard no from me I'm afraid. He never had more natural talent than Joshua, but he was very quick and naturally explosive as well as being very tall and lean and springy, and could certainly have been a much better fighter had he learnt how to set up his right hand with his jab properly, and learnt other fight ending shots like the left hook or techniques like keeping his combinations tight and controlled when he had a fighter hurt. Imagine a Wilder with the compactness and control of a Dmitri Bivol. That would have been a very scary prospect. But fighters are what they are, and it's a pipe dream in most cases to imagine them otherwise.