Ike Ibeabuchi v.s Rocky Marciano

True but that's a pretty long time line of about 50 years. I think p4p Holyfield was right up there.

 

But they have longer arms and bigger muscle definition. Don't forget how important that is....

 

So when exactly did everyone start taking PED's? Were Holmes, Foreman and Ali taking PED's?

 

Who knows. It krept into all professional sports but if I could pin point a time where things really got quite obvious I would say 1985. ThAt was when Micheal Spinks put on so many pounds so quickly to fight Holmes. It started an avalanche of fighters who began to put on a lot of muscle or in Orlin Norris case fight at any weight that suited a situation. It never happened before. That 5'10" guy matched David Tua at his heaviest and dropped to cruiser when he wanted and blew back up to superheavyweight again.

 

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Why not both?

I don't understand your theory. Are you suggesting that but for PEDs, men like Wlad would have been as uncoordinated as Primo Carnera?

Coordinated tall fighters didn't just appear out of nowhere. By the late 1970s/early 1980s there were already far more highly coordinated and athletic 6'2+ heavyweights than any time in the history of the sport.

 

it's a very strange coincidence that as worldwide diets, specifically protein intake, have increased in size so have peoples bodies.
weird, because we know the total nutritional input into your body from 9 months before you were born until adulthood has zero effect on size, that's all peds.(the growth hormones we get from modern meat helps too tbf, but that aint a ped, just a d)

 

Yes film gives the impression that By the late 1970s/early 1980s there were already far more highly coordinated and athletic 6'2+ heavyweights than any time in the history of the sport. But if you go through the ratings how many were there slightly under that size and comparable in height to heavyweights that had always been around? How many were just heavier and no taller?

The genuine ATG superheavyweight is a super rare animal. But guys do look to bypass skill and overpower each other with artificial bulk with plenty of success. I accept that.

I think guys develop best against what they are used to. Two bulky giants together look more coordinated fighting each other than one swiping oaf trying to catch a smaller guy.

Likewise, Roy Jones and Chris Bryd dropped into lower divisions and got knocked out after beating heavyweights.

 

Byrd was 38 years old having his second to last fight when he got stopped at Lhvy. Jones beat one carefully selected heavyweight.
You're winning nothing here.:-(

 

Bryd won his last fight.

 

Yes he did he weighed 194lbs and beat a novice.
He only came down in weight once at the end of his career.
Earlier post corrected:good

 

I don't think the life span has changed all that much. That comes down to genetics. Today we live a lot healthier. Think about it, 100 years ago smoking was said to be healthy. Humans have the ability to live long lives it is just man made products that prevent us.

You can attribute the average height change to capitalism. Farmers pump their livestock and produce full of steroids, which we've been eating for our entire lives, just to gain a larger profit margin. Bigger chicken=more money.

Hardly evolution more like advances in technology and science. Drastic changes happen every century. Look at the beginning of the 19th century vs beginning of the 20th. Same increase in science and medicine if not more than today.

 

"Evolution is change in the heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations"

Who said evolution and changes in technology and science are mutually exclusive?

Evolution essentially mean evolves, it's not conditional of whether or not man made factors influenced the evolution, just that evolution occurred. If people are taller now then they were 100 years ago, then the are more likely than not, going to be taller over the next 100 years.

But this whole topic is a tangent to what the thread is focused on, which is Ike vs Rocky.

 

Evolution effectively stopped in **** sapiens when any person however stupid, could live long enough to procreate.

There is the possible exception that it might have favoured the stupidest segment of the population.

Increases in average height are down to changes in nutrition.

The average height in some Saxon colonies was greater than the average height in Victorian London for example.

 

You are misunderstanding the definition you provided. Heritable traits are your genetics and adaptations to environment. Misconception is that evolution means better. It just means adaptation to environment. Being taller is not an adaptation to OUR environment last time I checked. It is much more rational and plausible that the sudden increase in height in the last 100 years is due to what we eat. Like I said the farmer pumps livestock and produce that we eat full of steroids in order for them to get bigger. We eat these products therefore we eat the steroids and get bigger ourselves.