Ike Ibeabuchi vs Joe Frazier

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And more skilled, I feel Mathis Jr dodged more shots in his three rounds v Tyson than Ike would have and ironically his head movement was similar to Joe`s in that bout.
     
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    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is several levels below Joe Frazier.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dreadful Tua couldn`t throw counters he looks very drowsy here the guy he was fighhting would have been toyed with by Joe, Tua was nowhere near Frazier`s level, Ali would have boxed his ears off.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Buster Mathis was level on the scorecards of referee Mercante when the fight was stopped.Who was the best fighter Buster beat?
     
  5. choklab

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    Mathis got nailed! My god. He was out. Buster was not conscious when he went down or while he was down. He got up after 10 then, still out when up, he fell forward and hung in the ropes like wet washing still snoozing. Mathis had already been on his back with his eyes closed for 12 seconds. What more do you want? Death?
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It was a count out. I don’t know why it is listed as a TKO. Buster did not beat that count. Sometimes you have to believe your own eyes.
     
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  7. choklab

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    George Chuvalo. Buster won every round and chopped up Chuvalo. Then Chuvalo beat Jerry Quarry.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Volunteering?
     
  9. mcvey

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    Chuvalo was unranked
     
  10. mcvey

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    Mathis was up at the count of nine which can clearly be heard on the video.
    Sometimes you have to believe the truth when it is presented to you and stop tying to spin every fact.


    TKO11th rd!
     
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  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He knocked them all out late and after some difficulty and or trailing on points.

    Maybe he was a grinder against the better fighters like Marciano and Frazier then rather than the hellacious one punch KO machine you seem so invested in?

    I don't care either way. You seem so determined to prove Tua was such an awesome puncher then go for it. I'm not convinced and his record bares it out. He never KO'd a top ranked fighter just as Williams, Shavers, Foster, Lyle didn't. They weren't as you say top end punchers (like a Louis, Tyson, Foreman or Lewis were) because they never KO'd top end fighters either, though they undoubtedly possessed power (as proven by their record against second or third tier fighters). They simply weren't good enough against the best to use their asset of power.

    Really it's pretty clear what I'm saying unless you're trying to be pedantic over clarifications about possessing great power and being a great puncher. I'm not interested in going over the miniature of differences between them, suffice to say I stand by my view that Tua is overrated as a fighter and puncher.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    I believe Byrd was #6 too.
     
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  14. choklab

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    It was similar to Ingo standing at 10 in the final fight with Floyd Patterson only Buster was in much worse condition, hence collapsing again into the ropes, as shown in your photo. I’m sure he was laid out for more than ten seconds before he rose uncontrollably.
     
  15. mcvey

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    So you deny the audible count up to nine when Mathis was on his feet?
    Parr for the course . WTF do I waste my time with you? I must be slipping very badly!
     


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