Im not convinced at all that Bowe could take Lewis power

Yeah? Holyfield sure banged Tyson out of there and you guys have been telling us what a great chin Tyson has.

Holyfield could whack. Your comparison is absurd, hopefully purposely so LOL

 

Disagree as does Holyfield evidently. I bet you are far more lenient on the "excuses" for Tyson losing to Douglas.

H2H ATG matches are with both at their best. When fighting big names Lewis was always at his best, or certainly good enough.

 

Ah there's all those accepted Tyson "excuses".

 

I am comfortable taking Lewis in both. All three are great fighters and anything can happen. I think Lewis would both boss and spoil Tyson in there with his size and uppercut. I believe he would grind the fight out of Tyson even peak. I'd take Tyson over pre Steward Lewis i reckon.

I'd take Holyfield over any version of Tyson. Something about those two tells me Holyfield would always be up for him. Tyson may have been past peak bu the way Holyfield bossed him was eye opening.

 

Damn man you've changed your mind about this one.
I respect that.

 

Not saying they beat him cause they have better chin... just saying it like it is imo, hell Lewis may have winning score against those

 

How did he bang Tyson out of there? He hit Tyson with like a good 15-20 punches by Tyson was still standing and Tyson in the later rounds was only struggling because of his crap stamina and conditioning more than anything else.

 

A pre or post Steward Lewis will have no answers to whatever Tyson from 1985-88 will bring to the table. Lewis will be very slow with his upper cut and will have no answers to Tyson's bobbing, weaving and will be susceptible to those 10-12-15 burst combinations especially given that this is a guy who has been flattened by Mccall (who used to be Tyson's sparring partner) and Rahman. Lewis will not knock that Tyson out for sure, Tyson will definately out work Lewis for sure so if it goes to the decision then Lewis will not get a decision either.

Holyfield i agree will always give Tyson problems, i am willing to conceede Holyfield will 9 times out of ten beat Tyson.

 

Very similar to the excuse Lewis makes for Mccall and Rahman.

 

Holyfield has had plenty more to say about Lewis which i debate whether you will agree with or not

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/mar/01/boxing.sport2

 

Didn't you say in another thread chin was chin regardless?

Holyfield put Tyson in big trouble with a single right hand in round ten and then had him reeling with another. He never really recovered even between rounds.

Still standing or not the fight was over via stoppage. It makes no difference whether you are on your feet or not. Knocked silly is knocked silly.

If Holyfield is such a light hitter it opens up the chances of guys like Holmes and co. of being able to get thru the early rush and wear Tyson down for a stoppage.

 

Well that's why i threw it back at YOU. You gobble up everything you can to excuse Tyson against Holyfield and Douglas yet throw Lewis intangibles straight out the window. Fair's fair.

 

No i just highlight it when you say that the reasons for Tyson's loss for Douglas are just excuses whereas Lenni's losses to Mccall and Rahman are justified under the pretext of Lenni was over confident, he took them lightly e.t.c.

 

Not exactly, Hollyfield was battering George Foreman as well and had him reeling many times but Foreman did not go down.

Tyson was exhausted by Round 10 as his stamina for late rounds was extremely poor at this stage and he was struggling to do anything because of this which is why Holyfield utilized the opportunity to open up and launch his light punches knowing Tyson was too exhausted to do anything at this point.

 

Tyson showed worrying tendencies when he couldn't get on top. There is absolutely every chance these tendencies would surface at any point of his career if someone is good enough to bring it out.

He had zero plan B. Get past plan A and you're looking good. Get him moving backwards and his excellent defense becomes much more porous. Holyfield got him going backwards with surprising ease. Tyson was of small stature and lets be honest, he just wasn't real strong in there. Holyfield manhandled him. George Foreman would do the same. Ali would also handle him easily in close. He is not the infighter a Frazier is, not even close. He has his mid-range and that's about it. He is amazing at mid-range but that is not going to get him over every ATG.

Lewis' size, strength and power would always be a nightmare for him. Other big men like Foreman would be too. Arrest his forward momentum consistently and you both lessen his offensive effectiveness and open him up to yours.

His sensational punching assets would get him over some other ATG's, his strengths are that good. There is also quite a few who will negate them and finish on top.