In hindsight, was Sir Joseph Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins an enormous one?

He was good, relative to other British bums.
He fought trash collectors and Taxi drivers all his career, then finally faced Jones after Jones had been KO'ed a couple times and Hopkins once HOP got old. BHOP still ended up beating him and drove him into retirement.

Calzaghe is the King Of The Bums. :yep

 

only a racist white would claim that beating a 40something by waiting to outgass him was great.

if black guys beat formerly greast 40somethings, its nothing to you.

 

Why don't we get threads like this about Taylor and Dawson? After all, they both beat Hopkins more convincingly than Calzaghe did (Taylor did it twice), oh that's right, it's only Calzaghe fanboys who shoot their load over their hero beating a man in his forties and with Calzaghe's terribly weak resume, it's one of the few decent "wins" they have to cling onto.

 

Calzaghe won that fight, no two ways about it.

 

Calzaghe made himself look like the loser by running away from the rematch that could have put an end to the controversy. So nah, this is no way an enormous win, but for Calzaghe's resume it is one of his best wins which then makes Calzaghe's resume look weak.

 

Did Hopkins not take the fight originally when it was first planned?
Such a dull fight i doubt many would have called for that again

 

How when Taylor was looking hurt and losing the late rounds against Hopkins was it a better win? Calzaghe beat Hopkins at a weight that suited Hopkins sandwiched between arguably his best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Taylor was losing down the stretch to Hopkins, which is where Hopkins often comes on strong as shown even now.
If you look at the official cards, Calzaghe had more points ahead of Hopkins than Taylors 2 wins combined.
With Dawson it was a MD where he didnt have Hopkins hanging on and looking for time out and against an older Hopkins which must mean something for you as you brought up Hopkins age forgetting Calzaghe was also getting on and closer to the end of his career than Hopkins

 

Makes me laugh when some guys tries to get intimate with fighters: JOSEPH Calzaghe, JEFFREY Lacy, EMMANUEL Pacquiao...
Pathetic.

 

It was nice. Hopkins is a racist boob.

 

Not really... he won a close fight fair and square, if you want to talk about running or similar to that, Hopkins was the one making himself look weak feigning low blows and all sorts trying to get breathers.

Let's not forget Joe was around 37 years old himself and would retire in his very next fight.

 

Have to agree Hopkins didn't do himself any favors by all his whining !

 

No it wasn't even a win. bernard lost to the judges, not Calzaghe. To top it off, Bernard was a 43 year old geezer and the only good opponent Calzaghe ever faced.

Joe Calzaghe is overrated and has a padded record. All boxing fans with an ounce of knowledge know that Calzaghe is a mediocre fighter with a padded record. Being undefeated is not impressive when you fight in your backyard vs bums for 95% of your career. He wasn't trash, but he wasn't exactly good either. Let's look at his "noteworthy" career.

1) Chris Eubank - this is not a notable win. Eubank was in the end of his career and a shell of his former self. And on top of that, a prime Eubank didn't beat anyone other than Benn - a decent but not great boxer. And he ducked James Toney cuz he knew Toney would crush him.

2) Jeff Lacy - A washed up version of Roy Jones finished this guy. That shows how unimpressive this win is.

3) Sakio Bika - a belt holder with no notable wins.

4) Manfredo Jr - another easy win. Not impressive

5) Kessler - he beat Froch. Whoop de doo who has Froch beaten outside of a washed up Glen Johnson, and padded record Abraham and Bute? (who have never beaten anyone notable) Froch also got a gift from the ref vs Groves and the judges vs Dirrell. Froch's win over Pascal is not impressive because Pascal was green and is nowhere near the same fighter anymore. And Jermain Taylor was a blind squirrel who stumbled across an acorn vs Bernard Hopkins, and did nothing since then. After his 15 minutes of fame Taylor disappeared quickly. So now that we established that Froch is overrated like his countryman Calzaghe, there are no notable wins on Kessler's resume either.

6) Roy Jones - of course when Calzaghe fights Roy Jones, Jones is a shell of his former self. Roy already got viciously KOd twice before this, and he was not anything close to resembling a world class fighter. And he still knocked down the overrated pillow-punching/slapping bum Calzaghe.

7) Bernard Hopkins - Calzaghe did not win that fight. He got gifted a decision. His father was screaming at him in the corner before the last round - telling him he needed a knockout. From the look on Calzaghe's face before the judges' announcement he knew he didn't deserve to win the fight. Then Calzaghe was extremely surprised and excited when he found out he got gifted the win he didn't earn. Calzaghe got whipped and knocked down by a 43 year old man. So much for Calzaghe being an all time great fighter. Is it coincidence that when a man with a padded record finally faced real competition that he had such a difficult time? No. It proves Calzaghe's incompetence as a wannabe top-level boxer.

I know certain sheep that are following the herd have prepared pitiful arguments to defend the mediocrity that is Calzaghe's career, and I will dismantle them here.

1) Calzaghe beat Hopkins legitimately - NO he didn't. Just like Oscar DLH in his fights vs Pernell and Floyd (in which Oscar clearly lost both times despite what the judges said), Calzaghe was the ineffective aggressor while his opponent was the more effective counterpuncher. Calzaghe threw pitter-patter slaps on Bernard's arms and shoulders, and complained about Hopkins faking a low blow (which he probably did) - while forgetting all the times he hit Bernard in the back of the head without being penalized. On no planet did Calzaghe win more than 6 rounds, and because of the knockdown from Bernard there is no way he legitimately won the fight.

2) Well on compubox Calzaghe outstruck Bernard - Compubox stats almost always are innacurate - even glancing blows or blows that completely miss can be counted on the punch stats as an effective shot, so if the compubox stats are your reasoning for Calzaghe's legitimacy then you are a fool. On top of that, matches are scored round by round - not based on who landed more overall shots. If fighter a breathes on fighter b that counts as 10 landed shots.

3) Calzaghe is undefeated - Good for him. Calzaghe fought 44 nobodies (including washed up Eubank). The other 2 were a washed up past-prime RJJ and a 43 year old man that he lost to, but received a gift. It's not about the number of fights you win. It's about who you win against and how you win. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Would you take Brian Nielsen over Muhammad Ali (56-5), Evander (44-10-2), etc? I would hope not. Undefeated doesn't necessarily mean good.

What has been written is IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE, UNCONTESTABLE, INDISPUTABLE, UNQUESTIONABLE, flawless FACT. Not opinion or conjecture. Not even the fact that Bernard Hopkins legitimately won (but got robbed by the judges) is an opinion. Nor is it an opinion that Calzaghe is nothing close to an all time great fighter by any stretch of the imagination. He is nothing close to a top 100 p4p boxer. I challenge any human being to try and disprove the mastery of wisdom that has been displayed. Unfortunately for delusional Calzaghe fans, no one can refute the irrefutable.

 

True tat!

Neither Hopkins, Jones, or Toney, no matter what you think of them can be accused of figting bums to pad their records for 90% of their careers.
While Calzaghe fought only bums and waited until Jones was shot to face him and Hopkins was old, Hopkins, Jones and Toney fought elite opponents throughout their careers and faced elite fighters while they were in their primes.
Calzaghe fought a horde of ENglish bums and still needed that incompetent officiating that England is known for to get TKO wins over those bums.

Why else would Calzaghe retire when there was still at least $50M dollars of good fights left for him on the table?
If the bum was still active, although he is inferior, he would have still earned 2-3x the money that Hopkins does now.

Calzaghe is a paper hype, King of The Bums.

 

Hopkins was a MW and Calzaghe was a SMW, the fight never took place at SMW.

The time I am talking about was when Hopkins was a LHW, and Calzaghe just won the paper title of Lineal champ of LHW division, Calzaghe was offered money for a rematch in Cardiff but didn't want any of BHop's mental torture.

 

How do you know what Calzaghe did or didnt want. I think he was getting more for Jones and I dont recall the fight being called for immediately after, but mentioned after both had beaten Jones and Pavlik respectively