Ingemar Johansson vs Sonny Liston 1959

As a poster he was hell.lol

 

I brought it up to show what a two faced little troll you were.

Homosexual slurs is so last century dude.

 

And that was over a decade ago so I'm happy to inform you that I have left that bad habit behind me.
Now you have showed how able you are and how much energy you are willing to spend to prove me wrong. That is good. Perhaps you can also now prove that I'm wrong regarding you not being able to be specific about that huge punch. You simply can't and you are afraid of even trying. Very brave methods you are using indeed. But I'm honoured that you took the time to go through hundreds of my posts. If that's all you found I'm not too worried but if there is, I know that it will soon be posted here because some posters here clearly has nothing better to do with their time.

 

You were a 2 1/2 minute labor of love bud. It's hardly rocket science

You've trolled and stirred no end in this thread even casting doubt on respected historians of whom you wouldn't be a pimple on their ass. Now you expect people to educate you because YDKSAB. BTW i wasn't even in that conversation but regardless Swag and co have pumped you.

P.S. Good to see you've grown out of homosexual slurs.

 

Still acting like a cat on a hot tin roof.

A simple yes or no - are/were you Bah Lance? How hard is that? Okay, got it. You're embarrassed of yourself and heavily projecting your own embarrassment on to all and sundry. Lol.

 

Don't you think that Swag would have posted his "irrefutable evidence" if it had existed? I assume that every intelligent poster will understand that those accusations are worth absolutely nothing and if a person refuses to show any proof, that person is likely a liar.

Because of that I don't need to try to defend myself by trying to prove my innocence. If you can't see it, I can live with it. Any half intelligent man can see through Swag's nonsense.

 

If nothing else, this thread has debunked the myth of Liston eating bombs in his fight with Cleveland Williams.

 

Like I said I’ll show my proof the second you deny you’re Bah Lance, but you seem to be unable to do so, because you know you’d be lying. You’re a clown.

 

If you show irrefutable proof that I'm that poster, then I'm leaving this forum. That should be enough motivation for you. Now, show us that you are not a liar or alternatively, suffering from some serious paranoia.

If you are not a coward, you raise the bets and agree to leave the forum if you are unable to. Do you take the bet?

 

"Tell that to Machen"

That fight was several years later. Williams improved his skills. That is obvious is one watches the 1959 Liston fight and the 1963 Terrell fight.

"Machen"

Machen had trouble with his right hand being injured in his later career. Without film, it is difficult to judge the Williams-Machen fight. There is film of Liston and Williams. Williams drops his left to his hip before throwing it to Liston's body. I accept the testimony of my eyes over your sophism.

One other thing about Machen. Getting a draw with him is a worthy effort, but putting it in perspective, in the seven years between 1958 and 1965 Machen lost outright to Johansson, Folley, Liston, Johnson, Patterson, and Terrell. And he didn't fight Ali or Moore. Where does Machen actually rank if one made up a top ten from 1956 to 1965?

"Liston utilized his excellent defense"

So your argument is Liston didn't display an excellent defense?

"Still had his nose bloodied, broken"

It was definitely bloodied. I don't know about broken, but perhaps. But one jab can do all of that and often does.

"was nearly knocked out by his own admission"

The fight is on film. Liston is never knocked down. He is never staggered. He never seems to be in deep trouble.

Frankly, I would like to see the source for this quote. When was it? Fighters are often gracious about old opponents and it speaks well for them. But quotes never trump for me what I can see with my eyes. Liston was never in particular danger of being knocked out. He in fact slipped or blocked most of the head punches.

What is clear on the film is that Liston was rather passive in the first round, letting Williams get off first. Apparently off corner instructions he became far more aggressive in the second, carrying the fight to Williams, and Williams could not cope.

 

I agree, I’ve been saying since the start of this thread after the Patterson series you have to favour Sonny. I have only championed the point that Ingos record is better than given credit for and that 1958-1959 johansson would be very dangerous for anyone.

Patterson probably finished a great fighter off with that win. It was some fete. but it shouldn’t be forgotten or dismissed that it was Ingo that scored knockout wins in back to back fights over Machen and Floyd. Then the best two heavyweights in the world.

 

Have a look at this brutal left hook Liston shrugs off with nonchalance. It's almost reminiscent of the Ruddock smash. Sonny has ducked into it too yet is virtually unaffected. Williams gets full leverage on it too. Crazy.

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Straightens him up with another beauty here -

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Clean right hand here -

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Brutal short hook here and a couple of bombs right off the back of it....Liston shows great durability yet again -

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He landed another solid left hook before Liston went on the offensive and virtually didn't stop until until Williams was prone. I'd forgotten how brutal Liston was in these. A hugely different class of fighter to Johannson.

 

Man, you have a keen eye. I never noticed those punches before.

The punches you have uncovered must've been like finding needles in a haystack. I feel like Blind Freddy now and such a goose for somehow missing all those brutal connections to Liston's chin.

I hope no one else has been as foolishly unobservant as me.

 

I am not a coward. I am not Bah Lance. Your turn???? Still waiting.

 

I had trouble seeing them at first......but then realised i only had one eye open. Once i looked with both eyes open they appeared, almost as if by magic.