Is Ben Davison a Fraud?

carlingeight · May 11, 2025

Wish Moses Itauma would get well away from him.

It's one thing Fury, Taylor, BJS and AJ all performing terribly with him, but another thing entirely when talking about such a good, young prospect.

UniversalPart · May 11, 2025

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I think hes knowledgable. As in he knows a lot of boxing knowledge based off research and spending all his time thinking about boxing. You see it all the time with football coaching at youth level....so many guys never played in their life but their information knowledge is impressive because to make up for it they research and constantly learn whereas the guy thats played all their life dont learn anything outwith their own experience.

He keeps getting top fighters because his knowledge is impressive. Theres a difference between having knowledge and getting that knowledge working effectively tho. He knows a lot but he doesnt really know what stuff is really essential and whats isnt at this stage. They dont know how and when to apply the knowledge and what knowledge needs to be prioritised.

I thought he was doing a good job with joshua up until dubois....he had him fighting the way he should have always been fighting. When that didnt work against dubois tho....it kind of looks like he didnt get joshua prepared for an actual fight probably because he was putting all their effort into the masterplan/technique working. Dubois was doing hard sprints every day in camp up until the thursday before the fight. Probably not what you,ll learn at say university regarding sport science but his trainers experience knows you need to be prepared hard for a fight at top level boxing.

Bens mistake is he probably thinks he can think out masterplans....his lack of experience doesnt let him see that top level boxing isnt quite as simple as coming up with a masterplan to win every fight. You need other things to go with it. One of the biggest ones is knowing your fighters limitations.

Malik scott is similar even tho hes an experienced fighter. Hes a knowledgable guy....he knows his stuff....i dont think he has any real clue how to apply all that knowledge tho. Too much information can end up a drawback.

As opposed to a lot of succesful coaches who dont seem super knowledgeable....they know what works and whats needed tho and their fighters strengths and limitations more than the information heavy coaches.

In fairness to ben i think their trying to change joshua....because they know he cant recover quick enough if hurt. They tried to make joshuas legs keep him away from getting punched in the head. They just found out his reaction time etc wasnt quite good enough for it against dubois.
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Good post

You can't buy experience. You have to go through the university of life to get it.

velagod · May 11, 2025

carlingeight said: ↑

Wish Moses Itauma would get well away from him.

It's one thing Fury, Taylor, BJS and AJ all performing terribly with him, but another thing entirely when talking about such a good, young prospect.
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should go to Shane mcguigan.

Rollin · May 11, 2025

As Freddie Roach said: trainer can really only do so much.

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