Is canelo the biggest cherry picker in the game?

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  1. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Don’t call it a cherry pick then. Cherry picks are one-sided affairs, surely I would hope you know that.
     
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  2. DodgySyrup

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    What?

    Where did Lomachenko come from?

    This isn't a personal attack on Canelo, it's just an observation based on some facts and personal opinion.
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    These threads keep popping up because Alvarez knocked him out. That was the final result and that’s what we should focus on. I could care less what corrupt judges scored it. I have eyes and clearly saw the fight being close.
     
  4. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    4 weight champion.. aged triple G out, beat Rocky fielding & fought an old Kovalev on a two month turnaround lol
     
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  5. DodgySyrup

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    Well, yes and no.

    Definitely, you have to give him credit for taking on Golovkin and playing him at his own game, plus Jacobs, and earlier stuff in his career.

    But, then there's Amir Khan and Rocky Fielding, and this disheveled, frail version of Kovalev that we saw over the weekend.

    They, somewhat (and it is only somewhat) diminish his legacy in my eyes; and certainly the claims of being a 4 weight champion are pretty weak.
     
  6. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He could have chosen Beterbiev, Gvozdyk or Bivol, he chose kovalev. He knew kovalev was done and the odds said so before the fight, that's a cherry pick imo.
     
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Again, how is it a cherry pick if you admitted the fight was competitive and Kovalev was leading on the majority of cards?. You’re just a hater to be honest. Even if he fought the guys you mentioned you will still pull something else out of your ass to serve your pitiful purpose.
     
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  8. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Your go-to is pretending this obvious double standard doesn't exist and hoping I concede. Didn't you just chime on another thread telling me Canelo is priviledged for getting title shots too early because he wasn't fighting enough contenders and then said in the next sentence Loma deserved a title shot in his 2nd fight because he won a bunch amateur fights? Wasn't that you?
     
  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    You gave your list of people canelo has to fight before getting "genuine kudos" from "real boxing people". Wondering if you have such a list for Loma
     
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  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am well aware they exist. I am also aware of how haphazardly some posters apply so-called double standards. Now lets look at you. I said canelo had privilege, which he does, as a cash cow, and one who was anointed so by GBP even before becoming one. You replied w/ Loma...and I said he SHOULD NOT HAVE received a title shot in his second bout. So no, I did NOT say his Am career warranted a shot. If you have no clue who you are talking, just STFU already :lol: Kinda joking there (kinda.... since you gave me crap for a little mistake :D )
     
  11. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can you explain the odds, how can a career middleweight be 1/4 when it's his first fight at light heavyweight against a supposed killer as you say. Just because canelo made hard work of it doesn't mean it's not a cherry pick.

    Do you think canelo would have picked a 28 year old kovalev?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    If he is a cherry picker, then he's an awful one. Awful.

    Up until 2012 he was on a trajectory as being a very protected golden child of boxing, his resume was God awful. This was the peak of his stint as a cherry picker, every fight got him richer for very little risk.

    But since then his cherry picking ability became terrible.

    His run of fights from 2013 to 2015 was the following : Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Lara, Kirkland and Cotto. If that's cherry picking then I've completely misunderstood the concept behind easy match making.

    Then he goes on a cherry picking run featuring Khan, Smith, Chavez Jr. That's indefensible. Back to 2012 type opposition.

    But then he goes on a series of two fights with Golovkin, who in the right mind cherry picks him lol.

    Fielding, gimme.

    Then Jacobs and Kovalev. Again who in the right mind cherry picks a top 3 guy in MW and LHW back to back.

    So if cherry picking involves fighting the guys he has, then sure.

    But in my book he's fought an absolute staggering level of opposition.
     
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  13. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Well apologies I'm getting responses mixed up. I don't see how you can say he's been privileged when he's been a pro for so long and won so many fights. Of course he has privilege now, he's a cash cow. I brought up Loma because he has as much priviledge and is not a cash cow but there aren't daily threads made about how he's a fraud.

    I like watching Loma fight. I just can't stand the amount of hate I see around here. Not saying it's you
     
  14. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know how you can look at a cash cow and say they AREN'T privileged! I mean, that goes for anyone who's been a big draw or cash cow. My post wasn't directed solely at canelo, as worded. I was watching Canelo from his beginning. You don't get a title shot w/ Matthew Hatton as the opponent w/o a little bit of help. :lol:

    If you want to bring up loma's privilege, start a thread on him.

    I agree, there's a lot of hate. Hell, I get called a canelo hater even though he's one of my faves.

    No apologies needed, but appreciated. I mess up at times. Virtually everyone does. Few have the grapes to admit that though, so props to ya! :afro:
     
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  15. Scar

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    Why would I lookat the odds when I already saw the fight?. I had it a draw going into the 11th and MANY had Kovalev way ahead. That’s not what cherry picked fights look like.