Is cheater Luis Ortiz holding onto his paper interim belt to avoid Anthony Joshua?

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  1. You're not paying attention. Eddie Hearn CANNOT put Joshua in with Ortiz while he's holding a paper interim belt, unless Joshua ditches his own just to go after Ortiz who nobody has heard of. And being that Joshua would have to breach his contract with Showtime, why would he do that?

    If Ortiz won a final eliminator to face Joshua like Parker has just done, then yes for sure, unless a unification came up. People have been saying he's vacating when Parker becomes mandatory. Has he shown any intention to vacate yet? No.

    People were saying Hearn would have Crolla duck Barroso. Did he? No. People were saying Brook would vacate when/ if Spence becomes mandatory. They was contacted about a voluntary, were Spence would get a higher %, and Haymon turned it down.
     
  2. You are thinking about the WBA.

    I assure you, the WBA will never in a million years force Tyson Fury to fight Luis Ortiz.

    This is a body that stripped Rigondeaux for a few months just so Frampton didn't have to fight his IBF eliminator to fight Quigg instead in a 'unification'. A body that gave Broner a title because he's a big draw and allowed him to pick what gatekepper he wanted to fight then ranked that gatekepper accordingly. Mayweather was never forced into anything by them.

    They are using Ortiz for sanctioning fees. Tyson Fury generates separate sanctioning fees. Pay no attention to that bogus tournament- it's never going to happen.
     
  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe, you make some good points but so far the cruiserweight division is beginning to follow the division so we will wait and see, I think fuey vacates if it does happen to be honest I've heard his comments on Ortiz and I don't think he fancies it, the risk outweighs the reward
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz is more proven than Spence and barroso in theirf division, I can promise you hearn would never aspproach Ortiz with the Joshua fight if he vacates, not in a million years and if yuou believef thast then your underplaying just how much hearns values AJ.

    P.s I think brook beats Spence if they fought right now
     
  5. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    Doesn't really matter ... if both keep winning they will eventually meet each other.

    IMO the WBA have no choice but to clear the HW mess they created by making this tournament play out as they've promoted it. If Fury is out of shape ... Wlad beating him then retiring is a strong possibility which would surely mean Ortiz/Ustinov fighting Chagaev/Oquendo for the main belt.

    Joshua is a fine addition to the top HW mix, but he didn't beat Fury for his belt. Like Wilder he has a belt but not a top name win (yet).
     
  6. daverobin

    daverobin Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    nope he aint afraid ...cause if he(ortiz) beats ustinov and he probably will/ he will get to meet up with the furry v wlad 2 fight the real linear champion / joshua to me is not a champion but a top contender what the ibf did was funny ...and beyond corrupt ...why fight joshua when you can fight the champion the real champion ??? winner of wlad v furry 2 is the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man ...joshua isnt the man...i like him but hes not the champ / neither is wilder ....until of of these guys beat the winner of wlad v fury 2 ..they aint da man :deal
     
  7. Lady Girl

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    joshua holds the ibf. ortiz is in line to face the chagaev-oquendo winner after his fight with ustinov
     
  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Fraudshua will never go near Ortiz until he looks shot to bits.
     

  9. The Cruiserweight division? What are you talking about? Sure Lebedev unfied with Ramriez, but that doesn't effect the WBA fees. They created another belt because Lebedev as unified champion would move to Super Champion. They then promoted the interim champion Shumenov to regular champion, and then put the interim title on the line in the Dorticos/ Kalenga fight.

    All sanctioning fees. They want 3 champions in each division, regardless of their BS about tournaments. And they don't want Ortiz to fight the regular champion, let alone Tyson Fury.

    Here something to expect to, the regular belt is currently vacant- expect the WBA to overlook Ortiz and put it on the line in the Haye v Briggs fight- and the winner of that will have to face Chagev or Browne- not Ortiz.

    If Ortiz wants a title shot above interim, he needs to go for Joshua- he won't because he knows Joshua exposes him.
     
  10. He's not really more proven- he's beaten Jennings who's best win is what? Mike Perez, and a shot Tony Thompson coming off the loss to Malik Scott.

    I can also promise you Hearn will never approach Ortiz while he holds the paper title though because Joshua would have to vacate his own. Ortiz won't do that because he will be exposed in England by Joshua as little more than a boogeyman like Barroso was.

    I think you're underplaying how much Hearn rates AJ. If the Joshua v Ortiz fight got signed and Hearn had a gun to his head, I guarentee you Hearn would confidently pick AJ.
     

  11. What makes you think they are going to 'clear up the mess'. Lededev unfiied a cruiserweight title last weekend, and they made another title for interim.

    They said they was streamling the titles, but when Broner held one at 140, why did they make another one for Burns v Di Roccio.

    WBA will happily continue to have Ortiz over a barrel paying sanctioning fees. But until he's the Super Champion, Joshua can't fight him. And they will never force the Super Champion to fight him.
     

  12. Get real do you really think if say Tyson Fury or Klitschko said FU to the WBA, with the money he brings to the table and he decided he wanted to fight Wilder or Haye or Joshua or Povetkin or Browne or whoever WBA wouldn't want fees from that?

    Simple fact is whoever the Super Champion is, they will never be forced to fight Ortiz. If you think they will you are not paying attention.

    Thurman and Lara was regular champions to Mayweather's super champion for a good couple of years. Was Mayweather ever forced into it.
     

  13. He can't go near him even if he is shot to bits. Frautiz is holding onto the interim belt to take himself off the list of people Joshua can fight.
     
  14. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I believe his team wants nothing to do witg the great indestructible AJ, notuus himself but hus team doesn't line the idea if luis being used as an2's heavy bag session

    AJ, is a whike new bread if hw, 6'5" 24p lbs with the agility of a mw and the skills of an ali + 100
     
  15. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only wilder will entèrtain tge idea of a unification, because tgise 2 beasts are the cream of the crop.

    Fighters with their size shouldn't ever be able to fight like hugr razy mw's. AJ is the ggg of yhe hw's while wilder us ghe ward if the he's, there can be only one ler time snd its AJ 's time