Is Floyd Mayweather the GOAT

bro it’s on video and record that manny or his team at least ain’t want the fight with Floyd, why do y’all ignore all the countless and countless evidence and make excuses to change the fact?

 

He is Not a Goat, he may be DUCK or a CHICKEN

 

Gatti was coming off good wins over Leija and Dorin, was boxing better under McGirt than he had been in previous years. In contrast, he wasn't far removed from losses to Robinson and Manfredy when he moved up to face DLH.

Chicanito was debating retirement, yeah...But he was still coming off wins over future titleholders in Famoso Hernandez and Alexandrov. It was still a nice scalp for Mayweather to take that early in his career.

 

Gatti had so much more mileage(including the DLH drubbing and the Ward Trilogy-which took years off of him) by the time he got to FLoyd so to suggest that "Gatti was in better form going into the Mayweather fight" doesn't make any sense.

 

Gatti was enjoying something of an Indian Summer in the lead up to Floyd, though. He'd bagged the WBC 140lb title, and had looked good in his last two fights. In contrast, with the exception of his firebombing of the much smaller Gamache, he had looked pretty much done following those three hard losses to Manfredy and Robinson x2.

Floyd's win was entirely to be expected, in retrospect, but there were a few observers who felt that Gatti was performing well enough in recent fights to at least give FMJ some issues in the lead up. I was on this site and I remember those conversations. I don't recall anyone saying the Gatti stood any chance against DLH.

 

Why do you ignore the fact that even after Manny had agreed to everything, the fight still took a further 18 months to be made?

Why do you ignore the fact that after years of slandering Manny without a shred of evidence, it was Floyd who was caught at home taking a secret, illegal IV?

Why do you make excuses for a guy who said the following:

“We don’t fight to see who’s the best”

“It wasn’t the right time to fight Manny earlier. Now is the right time to fight him.


Wake up and look at Floyd’s antics throughout his career.

He had no interest in fighting Manny until Marquez had iced him.

Fighting Manny earlier had nothing to do with testing.


Floyd ducked a prime Manny because his Uncle Roger had him spooked.

 

Lol no obviously not. I mean don’t get me wrong he is for sure an all time great but he can’t compare with fighters such as Sugar Ray Robinson or Roberto Duran or maybe every guys like Roy Jones Jr and Sugar Ray Leonard. Anyway while I certainly rate maywather he is in no shape or form the greatest ever.

 

I don't see what you mean by astericks. His resume is absolutely incredible.

I don't see what risks Ali had to take that other fighters don't take. When you are at the championship level you need to fight the best to hold the crown. Plus Ali was a big heavyweight in his prime time. He was 6'3 with great skills. But he sadly had mental problems and low IQ and was being hit too much. Don't get me wrong he is one of the greatest. But IMO Mayweather is above Ali. What more Mayweather needs to achieve in order to be the GOAT in your list ? I am curious. I don't see what else there is to achieve.

 

Asterisks:


Marquez - Deliberately cheated him on scales

Canelo - A completely unnecessary C-W against a fellow JMW champ

Oscar - Faded

Shane - Faded

Hatton - At WW

Cotto - Faded

Maidana - Wouldn’t let Maidana wear his preferred gloves

Manny - Took PEDS against an injured Manny who had shoulder surgery the following week.

Retired when the WW was strong and competitive.

Retired at 50-0 against an MMA fighter


Those are the asterisks.


A truly phenomenal fighter, but one who never fought a true ATG whilst they were prime.

A truly phenomenal fighter, but one who was a careful businessman in the second half of his career.


Under traditional ranking criteria, he hasn’t got the resume to be considered the GOAT.


Ali was cut from a different cloth entirely.

Ali was a very smart and brave man. Too brave for his own good.

Yes, of course all fighters take risks.

Boxing is a very dangerous sport.

All fighters are warriors, both amateur and pro, no matter what level they fight at.

However, you can minimise the risk.


Ali never did that.

Look at who he fought and when.

Floyd wasn’t chasing guys like Liston down.

He’d never have taken on a guy comparable in any way to Foreman.

He’d never have fought a guy like Holmes at the end of his career.


You see, you can’t have it both ways.

If you want to applaud Floyd for being careful and for protecting his health and not ending up like Ali, then that’s fine. But by doing that, his ranking suffers.

Whereas if you do what Ali did, your ranking improves, but unfortunately your health suffers.


Floyd had an amazing career.

He was never hurt, he made millions of dollars and he’s ONE of the greatest fighters of all time.


The difference is: Ali maxed out his abilities, whereas Floyd didn’t.


Again, Ali took the kind of fights that Floyd wouldn’t take.

Ali took on a prime Foreman when he himself was faded, yet Floyd wouldn’t fight a prime version of Manny.


Floyd was a businessman, whereas Ali was a fighting man.

 

You can't reason with these people, he's probably at Paulie's House right now crying while being administered with IV's due to dehydration and such.

 

No, he’s up there without doubt but not ‘the’ greatest.