Is it even possible to pass Sugar Ray Robinson?

PAC is doing as much as possible.....but For SRR....the kind of talent, special boxer who came round in the golden era as a perfect combination of the right person coming around at the perfect time to get that kind of career. PAC is definitley a special talent as is FLoyd, but this era of boxing is NOT what the golden era was when a PRIME SRR was dominating. I just don't think that the kind of talent and opportunity will come around in our lifetime to see anther perfect combination of talent and timing in terms of competition being so deep.

 

Pac can't be blamed for that, which he basically is.

He's gone up countless weight classes, beat amazing opponents. While moving up.

To me, he's arguably the greatest fighter ever. But it's only my opinion. No one can say for sure what is what. Pac can never do what SRR did, they would never allow him to fight that many times.

You don't do what Pac has done in this day and age and not have an argument for it.

 

I don't blame the man...nor do I blame robinson for being born at the right time and having the right genes to become the man most consider the best of all time. He came around at the riht moment and he had all the right tools and got the most out of his career in terms of accomplishemnts.

PAC is a tremendous talent, a very specail fighter and perhaps he'll be even more appreciated when he's retired. It's just you know how it is! to surpass the greats like Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep ect.....you gotta do some amazing things and I think PAC has done so....but I have a hard time sayingt he's the best of all time even though he's done something no one else has ever done and not just that.....but he did so in VERY DOMINATING Fashion.

PAC is the best fighter in our era without a doubt....but if he truly is the best of all time he'll beat Floyd in a way that smashes ALL expectations. You may have a strong argurment if he can do that.....I see Floyd beating PAC by a very close decision. Who you got?

 

I've got Floyd beating Pac by decision.


It won't be a walk in the park for Floyd but I'm not saying Pac can't win.

But he he beats Floyd pretty clearly.. than.. seal it's me for me.

 

It's not the fault of today's fighters that they don't fight as often anymore, i'm not trying to detract from the mentality or ability of any of today's fighters generically because of their era, but it would just be so so difficult to surpass Robinson in this regard. Just analyze his career, it's quite shocking, couple that with how skilled he was and varied stylistically. It's just an mountain of a task, no it's stratospheric.

 

Exactly the way I see it. I actually think this fight we will see Floyd FIGHT! Manny will make him. Now it won't be like MAB vs EM.....but we'll see spots where Floyd is going to be force to fight out and in those moments I think PAC will win his rounds against Floyd and potentially catch Floyd, hurt him and do damage that Floyd has never experienced. I just think Floyd will adapt, re-adjust and use his foot work to pot shot on the outside to win the majority of rounds. But if PAC does pull this one off he will be without a doubt the best fighter in the last 20 yrs.....becoming even with Leonard and Duran. I may be biased b/c Leonard and duran are two of my absolute Favorites.

 

There was footage posted of Robinson in his prime in 1946 not long ago. People have always thought how much different he might have looked between the common available footage and the prime footage, people must check it out if they can. He was better in the 40s.

 

It's all opinion from here. While even if he loses to Floyd he can still fight other fighters and gain even more ground.

 

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Bear in mind this is just a routine fight for Robinson, best fighter ever imo.

 

Legacy yes, ability and head to head no. Anyway hes getting his ass kicked next fight

 

If you dont know who Ezzard Charles, Charles Burley and Holman Williams are you should read up on them, watch some Charles, they are 3 of the best ever

 

PP, i take your posts seriously, you're a good poster. But do you think Gavilan PALES in comparison to Burley? I don't, regardless of the questionable decisions on Gavilan's ledger. For h2h at welter Burley must be one of the finest though, and we never really got to find out there.

 

As in regards to Manny, he's pretty much gone teet for tat with Floyd and IMO, he's one up on Floyd. I'm sure Floyd would of been the favorite vs. Cotto as well, even pre-margo, but what if the case is that Manny might actually handle punches better than Floyd? Anyways, I do consider Manny the best of his era, but with all due respect he still has a way to go to equal Robinson's greatness. It can be done, but he would have to be on the same roll he is now for another 5-6 yrs at least. I wouldn't exactly say to win them all, because even the great Robinson didn't, but to give a great account of himself even in a losing effort counts because it produces classics and proves the greatness of both fighters. I don't think Manny has to necessarily have to jump to 154lbs with quality fighters like Mosley, Floyd, Berto, Clottey, Peterson, Marquez, and Bradley in the midst, but he's mentioned he would like to retire in the not so distant future. To be honest, having either Manny or Floyd at this point compared to Robinson is alittle premature. I think first things first they need to both settle the score as in who is the best of THIS era which is in question.

 

I probably exagerated that 1, but I truly think Burley was that big more of a special fighter than Galivan and Im also not sure Galivan was prime himself when it took place. Galivan is the no1 win for me on Robinsons resume though. And its a damn shame theres no footage of the fights around, would be extra interesting to see the first where some believed Galivan edged it.

Again I think Robinson has the style to beat Burley and if there was enough money on the table he would fight him, but Robinson was a smart business man and wasnt fighting a none can unless he was paid handsomely