Is Jones an ATG?

Top 10 h2h? He handpicked the worst Heavyweight beltholder in 25 years at Heavyweight for christ sakes! When other Light Heavyweights moved up to Heavyweight they fought and beat THE champion not some abc beltholder. Plus fighters like Spinks and Tunney actually stayed at Heavyweight they did not drop the belt move back down and get KOed twice.

All those belts you listed are trinkets. Roy never cleaned out the Light Heavyweight Divison. I will give you the top 10 all time on natural ability but we will never know because he handpicked and avoided fights in EVERY weightclass he ever fought. You remember the term reluctant Roy?

 

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Calzaghe a rematch with Hopkins and when RJJ started get KO'd he didnt show any effects of getting old in his previous fights he just actualy fought someone with a real pulse

when you get KO'd by a journeyman like glen johnson I dont know about ATG

 

He never rematched Hopkins or Toney witch I think in the rematches would had a great shot to beat him

 

So it was Roy's fault that he didnt rematch Hopkins or go to Whales and fight Joe C.? Ridicules...

And getting KO'd by journeyman Johnson? You mean the guy who beat Tarver and took the young Dawson to the limits? A prime Jones would have made a fool of Johnson and you know it, but Johnson is no walk in the park either.

 

Yes Jones is up there in the all time list. Sublime skills in his prime.

 

I wouldn't say its excellent but its enough to secure ATG status ... say upper top 20-30 for sure.

Lets say ... if Roy beat Michalchewski and retire after the first win over Tarver (a Lennox way) he would be #1 ATG.

 

is jones an atg

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I'll take a stab at it.

1) The following opponents would have done a lot to enhance Jones' legacy:

Julian Jackson
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Steve Collins
Joe Calzaghe
Gerald McClellan
Frankie Liles
Michael Nunn
Dariusz Michalczewski (legitimate 175-lb. champion during Jones' time there)
Graciano Rocchigiani (legitimate 175-lb. WBC champ - Jones stole the title)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Vassiliy Jirov

2) One doesn't need to prove who ducked whom when debating the greatness of a fighter. Even if Jones tried to face these fighters rather than avoiding them, you don't get credit on the all-time greatness scale by just trying to make fights. You get credit for actually facing and beating top fighters.

That being said, it should be obvious that someone with the pull and boxing that Jones had, as well the financial rewards involved, should have easily been sufficient to allow Jones to fight anyone he wanted.

Jones has two great wins: the domination of James Toney, and the win over Bernard Hopkins, the latter's significance being somewhat lessened by the point in time at which it took place. Other than those two, his record looks pretty darn sparse.

Roy Jones may be one of the best fighters we've ever seen. Too bad we'll never know for sure.

 

How is his resume excellent?

His best wins are Hopkins, Toney, Tarver (who he was also brutally KOed by and lost a Decision), and John Ruiz.

That is not excellent not even close.

Roy's resume compared to other ATG's is actuallty rather shitty. ATG's took on all comers Roy clearly did not do that.

 

" Is Jones an ATG?"




Theres a very good argument for HOF, but ATG - NO WAY!


just jokin' Of course he is!

 

Funny how ole Puge didn't poll this... He probably didn't want to see results similar to the "Joe Calzaghe vs James Toney: the resume" poll, where there was something like 100 votes for Toney, and 13 for Joe (with certainly at least 4 or 5 multiple usernames in there)