Is Marciano...

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1949

Maybe you have problems reading as well

LaStarza was ranked 10 in the 1949, annual rankings. He fought Marciano in early 1950.

Clown.

 

Stats are data.Should I have called you Fiction Man?
As to what occurs from now on ,well we will see what transpires.

 

I agree, I don't think Foreman's problem was a lack of stamina,rather I'd say ,it was a lack of pacing himself.
In middle age carrying significantly more weight , he went the distance several times ,without using his stool.

 

Of course he was ranked, why on earth do u say that? The Ring Mag annual ratings selected him as their #10 HW in February 1950.. a month before he fought Marciano. Rocky knocked him out of those rankings for the following years selection via his victory over him. For their second fight in 1953 he was their # 4 rated HW. Why does Marciano make u so mad bro?

Marciano was a great fighter.. Beat Walcott twice, Charles twice, Lastarza twice, Louis & Moore.. not only those he beat Don Cockell who beat both Lloyd Marshall twice & Harry Matthew's twice & Rex Layne who has wins over both Charles & Walcott. Rocky also ended Harry Matthews 50 fight win streak.

Rocky was a great fighter. Stop spreading misinformation about him.

 

Dude told me I couldn’t read, but I literally dredged up the same thing you’re looking at and it said he was ranked at the end of 1949 in their annual ratings.

 

I looked deeper into the ratings and I found that Marciano beat several more fighters who were rated in the top 10 within one to three years prior to fighting him (Savold, Muscato Reynolds and Beshore). Also, I was wondering why he never fought guys like Bob Baker or Tommy Jackson or Nino Valdes, but then I remembered that back in the day the number one contender earned their shot from wiping out the other top contenders, so all 3 of those guys lost to Archie Moore. So, with Marciano beating Archie Moore, he essentially took out four birds with one stone.

It is pretty amazing watching people **** on Marciano when he literally was the best of a particular bunch, probably not the best fighters to ever grace the planet, but it was just a different era, everything was done differently, these guys fought six or seven times a year with 6 ounce gloves. It’s hard to compare the 50s with the 60s and 70s because the sport started changing a lot imo after the 50s.

 

Correction, Archie Moore did not beat Tommy Jackson, but he did beat Nino Valdez multiple times, Harold Johnson multiple times, Bob Baker once and Joey Maxim multiple times.

 

Also, Bernie Reynolds was ranked briefly at number nine in the ratings by Ring Magazine. Another top contender Marciano beat around the time he was fighting.

 

Given the state of those you mention, their age, tread on the tires, size, or lack of a single fast twitch fiber, Marciano ranks slightly below Oleg Maskaev.

 

I've never said Marciano wasn't a great fighter.
I've actually said he was on this thread!

Opponents
Cockell was an obese Light heavyweight who had been floored multiple times and stopped by a middleweight,his ranking relies on him beating a washed up Lastarza and Mathews a light heavyweight hype job.

Lastarza was one of the most protected heavyweights ever which he himself admitted in a Ring interview,offered fights with several contenders his manager turned them down flat.
Here are some he somehow managed to miss;
Walls
Charles
Walcott
Maxim
Gardner
Baker
Sys
Oma
Baksi
Williams
Dunlap
Neuhaus
Harrison
Bivins
Satterfield
Wallace
Slade
Henry
Look at his record for Christ Sake
Two fights before challenging Marciano,he was floored and beaten by ,Rocky Jones, a journeyman light heavyweight!
Who did he beat , a washed up Layne, and two fringe contenders like,
Bucceroni and Brion!
Moore was 41 years old.
Walcott was 38.Retired after their fights
Louis was 37, over the hill and half way up the next one.Retired after their fight.
Charles had nearly a 100 fights worth of mileage on his clock.He had lost 2 of his last 4 fights.
Mathews was a hyped up LHVy.176lbs
Who had he beat? A sliding Layne. A hundred and seventy three pounds Lloyd Marshall who was having his last fight having won just 1 of his last 5.
Don't look at just numbers look at where these men were in their careers and who they had beaten!

 

Fighters who had been ranked at some point before they fought Marciano is irrelevant to their capabilities when they fought him Savold was totally washed up,a past it Louis had badly beaten him into submission,the Commission withdrew Savold's licence after the Marciano fight.
According to your logic Foreman wiping out Frazier and Norton meant he would wipe out Ali!
Joe Joyce stopped both Joseph Parker and Daniel Dubois.would he be favourite to do so now?They are ranked no 1 and no2 ,Joyce isn't in the top ten.

Valdes was number one at the end of 1953 and 1954.
He lost to Moore in March 1953 and May 1955.So how does that excuse Marciano for not fighting him?

Moore never fought Jackson.
Muscato 180lbs was ranked at the end of1947
He fought Marciano in Dec 1949.He had lost his last 4 and won 1 of his last 6, the only win was over Rocky Jones a journeyman Lhvy who was 7-4-1.

Reynolds was never ranked .
He had won 2 of his last 7 fights.

Beshore was ranked no 10 in1948. He fought Marciano in Aug 1951.
He had won 3 of his last 11 ,his wins were over.
Rocky Jones7-4-1
Henri 13-14-2
Culbertson19-6-2
If these are the opponents you are pushing as note worthy opposition, I think you are very desperate!

 

This post ends the thread as the points you've made are irrefutable, Rocky came along at a perfect time for him and got out before Patterson and Sonny Liston came along.

 

Cute but not really accurate that is it? IBRO have him #7 & Ring have him #4. Now both you and I can dispute those rankings somewhat but they do demonstrate a consensus about his historical placing.

 

Yeah, I went back and fixed that, I clearly stated he didn’t fight Jackson. I guess you skipped over that part.

it’s not Marciano’s fault that Archie Moore beat Valdes twice before Moore fought Marciano. Maybe Valdes should’ve beat Archie Moore and then Marciano would’ve had to fight him.

I’m not saying Marciano beat those guys in their prime, I’m just saying that they were contenders within a year or two of him beating them. It was just an observation that I hadn’t caught before.

 

lol