Is Pacquiao a different fighter since Marquez?

Of couse. Hes a completely different fighter. His head got bigger, bigger muscles, work rate went up, went up 3 weight classes and kept all his speed and got stronger. Chest is caved in now and is knocking out fighters he wouldve never thought he could KO due to the fact they are so big. he is a different fighter. un realistically different...one might think he used something illegal to do so. i mean wouldnt you consider taking something if you knew it would turn your life around and make you the best at what you are ??

 

Your an idiot. Pacquiao gained what, 12-15 pounds from superfeatherweight? People act like this is ****ing impossible, when people gain upwards of 50 pounds in year without any use of steroids. Hell I gained 10 pounds in little over a month by eating 3000 Calories a day and working out in the gym. It ain't ****ing rocket science man. And Pacquaio isn't even KO'ing guys the way you think he is. He's stopping guys on accumulation. He knocked out Ricky with a good punch, but he dropped Cotto through counter-punches and accumulation. He beat Clottey by outworking him. Put the pipe down crackheads.

 

Yes.

Well, yeah. That probably has to do with the fact that Manny's fighting at Welterweight (a weight Marquez has been proven ineffective at) and the fact that Marquez is clearly well on the downslide of his career.

So you're basically saying he's learned more in the past two years than he had during the rest of his entire career up until that point? That Roach had taught him nothing during that multi-year period prior to Marquez II? That everything just magically came together after that? Point out the technical differences in his performance against Cotto and his performance against Barrera in the first fight for instance. I think they'll be a lot more marginal than you seem to believe.

 

Watch when Pacquiao completly dominates Floyd. People will come up with more ****ing excuses believe me.

 

hes bigger and stronger, thats about it, if you're talking about the second marquez fight.

 

It all depends on who it is who has that kind of option? A Character of a man who is honest with a lot of integrity wouldn't consider cheating to get ahead and there are NO drugs or PEDs out there that would make ANYONE the best at what they do. They enhance attributes but they don't make you more skilled, intuitive or intelligent.

 

Inferior .. compared to who exactly? Yeah Barrera Morales and Marquez are better fighters overall ,if that's the comparison your making. Your not going to claim that Pacquiao cherry picked Cotto, Clottey, Hatton and Hoya are you though??

I'm not saying he's learned more in the past two years then he ever has, but he's clearly way better then he ever has been. Stevie wonder could see it. His footwork, combo punching, counterpunching, ring generalship, jab, feints... everything is way better. Most importantly he's thinking in the ring now, and not just rushing in.

 

so youre telling me you could gain that much weight at that age and get better?? without any outside help?? You get faster stronger more stamina bigger as you get OLDER??? then you couldnt knock out these lightweights but then move up to a huge weight class and no problem Tko,KO,Tko???? lmao....im wrong for thinking he might be on roids?? is it really that crazy to belive that??

well we know thats not the type of person Manny is. Wasnt he cheating on his wife???

 

Improvements from the first to the second Marquez fights....yes, there was improvement on the technical side......the MAB rematch was proof of that.

.....but to take that improvement and try to implement it against a technical boxing master is a whole other matter.....one that will make you go back to your old way of fighting if you even attempt to match the master.


Simply stated, you dont master boxing in a matter of months......it takes a lifetime of dedication to the craft and the experience that goes along with it in the ring.


The only thing I'm saying is that Pacquiao in no way shape or form can match boxing skill with the likes of Marquez and Mayweather. Thats just the reality.........if Pacquiao is to beat any of those two fighters, he has to do it with what comes natural to him.....pure aggression and nonstop punching.

In a fight between either Marquez of Mayweather, skill will not be a factor as far as Pacquiao is concerned.
The two have him beat by miles in that dept.:deal

 

I never claimed he cherry-picked anything, I merely stated that everyone he's fought since moving up in weight has been an inferior fighter to the likes of Marquez (who the thread specifically refers to, so I figured it would be obvious who I was referring to). Not only that, but they've been more or less tailor-made for his style to shine against.

Hatton, a defenselesss come-forward rough-houser. Cotto, a basic stand-up pressure fighter who excels at nothing. Clottey, a guy who stands in the middle of the ring, showing absolutely no versatility, and covers up. De La Hoya, who at one time was a very good fighter, was a dead man walking during the Pacquiao fight.

When did this tremendous leap in skills occur? When he started facing slower, technically inferior opponents? Hmmmm.

Again, since when are you referring to? I don't see many improvements in any of the areas you mentioned since the Marquez fight, to be honest, not against that level of fighter anyway. Against Cotto for example, a fighter that, while wounded, resorted to retreating and boxing off the backfoot. Even in that state, he gave Pacquiao more issues that he had in the entire fight, simply because Pacquiao doesn't fare well when forced to press the fight on the front foot against a consistent jab. It wasn't even done well by Cotto, and yet Pacquiao still showed technical flaws that he didn't in other fights because his opponents weren't capable of exposing them. He doesn't cut off the ring well at all, and by the latter rounds of the Cotto fight he looked no better technically than the version that took apart Barrera all those years ago, just slower on his feet.

 

100% manny is 10x better than he was when he fought marquez.

his footwork is fantastic, his punches are better, his movement is better, he puts punches together like nobody else... he has improved in every way!!! :good

 

Good post.
I'll add that if you're punching at an opponent thats at your skill level, you can more easily get off shots you've only been recently working on to improve.....

......however, because of the lack of time into honing the skill, those right hands Pac has been throwing lately would'nt come as easy against a fighter who's skill level is above his.

Pac threw those right hands against a decaying Morales and a timid MAB in those rematches.......going into the JMM rematch, the *******s were in a frenzy on Pac's newround "Manila Ice".....supposedly Pac's newfound right hand

......that newfound right hand was rendered virtuallly useless by JMM who btw was inviting Pac to throw it so that he could counter left hooks over and under it.

.....it just happened that against the skill fighter in Marquez, Pac was'nt quite willing to let the right hand flow as smoothly as he had done against Morales or MAB.:deal

Whey you have return fire coming at you, the natural thing to do is to go to your strenghths, and for Pac, thats the missile of a straight left that he throws down the middle......he'll go to his strenghths and forget about his newfound practiced right hands that he will no doubt have a more difficult time to defend the counter against.

 

Yes...I believe he was. But I do recall that Martin Luther King Jr, JFK, Clinton and many other great men cheated on their wives. Women for men are the achilles heel. That shouldn't be cause for questioning their life's work as a professional athlete. FLoyd beat woman....but I don't think he's a cheat in his profession b/c he lays hands on females.

 

Looking at Pacquiao's recent performances I think he has improved in a number of ways. Against De La Hoya he showed improved footwork and balance. Against Hatton I found the way he picked Hatton off with counters was very impressive, especially the way he counters your jab with a right hook. His defense and head movement has also improved.

Though of course his opposition have made him look good as none of them fight like Marquez. If they fought again I think he would win a clear decision but it still would be a very competitive fight.

 

Agreed....but it goes both way. If Floyd won there would be just as many Floyd haters saying Floyd beat a smaller guy. For the most part though I think the majority will appreciate the outcome of these fights no matter who won. Manny, PAC or Shane. Beating anyone of these guys is a major accomplishemnt that deserves respect....unfortunately boxing fans consist of some really delusional folks...even if it's not on a large scale...it's still there and they are more vocal than the reasonalbe and knowledgeable fans.