Is Pacquiao impossible?-Why Steroid accusations are baseless?

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  1. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Damn are you this dumb? What is the "GOAL" of his position in his sport? SIZE. So not only is he carrying weight, he is carrying a debilitating amount of extra weight. His lifespan will be shortened because of it. (Avg lifespan of 45.)

    African Americans do not share anywhere near the genetic isolation of most Asians from Asia. Therefore the ranges of genetic expression are far more diverse. Most American Blacks are disproportionately White genetically. Many Blacks from Africa are far more able to "type".

    Even with that understanding, a Black man operating below 147 is most likely lean as hell due to the the genetic requirements of him to even consider the weight class. In now way does the guy being lean point to "talent", "ability", or "quality" of him to Box. Same way the opposite doesn't mean an Asian or Hispanic is not talented or a monster puncher.

    Nobody said an Asian can't be ripped. Bruce Lee was. Nobody said an Asian can't be buff. Chong Lee is. (Yes mofos I know they are both Chinese and Pac is Filipino.) The point is that NO MAN on a 5'6 frame is going to scarf down 7000 calories per day and NOT gain fat. Doubly so if that man is the average Asian. Pac would not be able to find the TIME to scarf down 7000 QUALITY calories, digest it, work out hard enough to burn it COMPLETELY off, AND rest.

    Yes. Pac is far from average. OK, but the upper limits of your physical frame exist. Pac has long been at the upper limits of his frame as we see since his rehydration weight has stayed roughly the same. So I ask all of you *******s... What changed?
     
  2. FutureChampGG

    FutureChampGG Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao fans keep ignoring/missing the point, people can have arguements about how he's kept his power up the weight divisions, his head size, what the source of the allegations was etc. Its irrelevant! The point is.....

    He's refusing to agree to random drug (blood) testing.


    If he's clean, which i really hope he is, why would he not take the tests? Surely the fact that hasn't done so cannot be seen to be anything but suspicious....

    Could a Pacquiao fan please answer these 2 questions directly:

    1) If the allegations are so baseless why not, for the sake of a huge career defining mega money fight, agree to the tests and prove them to be wrong?

    2) Can you at least agree that more stringent random drug testing is a desirable and good thing in sport? (Especailly in a sport as potentially dangerous as boxing)
     
  3. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    your boy is still a coward.. now his hiding and beating up woman and security guards to avoid pacquiao:hi::lol:
     
  4. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1) He has
    2) I agree more stringent drug testing is required, if that really is the point of contention. Obviously it isn't.

    ps---before trying to make an argument, u can at least get your information updated.
     
  5. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1 - He hasn't and was PROVEN to be using misdirection at best or blatant lies at worst on HBO 24/7 by Koncz

    2 - You don't. Full random blood testing is the ONLY thing holding this fight back. None of you "fans" of Boxing have come out asking allegedly clean Pac to test. Even when he was busted TWICE lying and ruining the fight you didn't come out against him.

    You need to get your facts straight. :deal
     
  6. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Genetic expression isn't limited to outward appearance. Diversity in genotype among a population is more influenced by sheer numbers. This should be obvious. The fact that more than half the worlds population lives in Asia allows for more exchange of chromosomes/dna among populations. The Chinese have the most 7 footers in the world....but the tend to be short in general. My point is that gene expression is subject to specific circumstance.

    In regards to muscle lean/athleticism...some people are born with a higher proportion of fast twitch muscles. This is isoloated in specific locations, not race. In general Pinoy fighters are fast twitch guys (maybe this is a favorable natural selection in hot tropical islands, not really sure), and you can see this with the speed and physiques of the Pacquiao brothers and the handspeed of Donaire. You tend not to see this kind of athleticism with other Asian fighters.

    As for the general bigger size and athleticism of African Americans, this was an unintended benefit from the legacy of slavery. It was an unintended eugenics experiment where the biggest and strongest slaves were put on the slave ships and the strongest amomg those strongest survived the trip. This is why a little island nation like Jamaica produces world class track stars at a consistent basis.

    And btw, fast-twitch guys ie Mike Vick, Allen Iverson, and yes Manny Pac...those guys tend to have the highest metabolic rate, and thus can consume the most calories and attain faster gains. If u ever worked out with a team you'll know what I mean. The most athletic tended to get in shape the fastest....while the fat ****s playin offensive line stayed fat.
     
  7. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    Good post. Makes more sense than the post of that other dude.
     
  8. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing wrong with my facts.These facts are indisputable. Supposedly what's preventing this fight is Floyd's concern that Pac is cheating. Well, at MINIMUM Pac has agreed to 7 day cutoff with blood, continuing unlimited urine, and an immediate blood test after the fight....the current testing protocol assures no PED cheating, not to mention the fact that Pac has gone on record in interviews and in his book that he's agreed to everything even mocking Fkoyd by saying he'll take test in between rounds till the 6th. If the end justifies the means, and the end is a level playing field...then a 7 day cutooff justifies it, dont it?

    Whats holding this fight is Floyd's outright refusal of signing on the dotted line. leveling the playing field my ass.
     
  9. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    See I knew that genetics class werent just useless credits...
     
  10. raxman

    raxman Member Full Member

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    good point.

    which leads me into the other problem i have with the pro pac - floyd haters - of which i really belong to either camp

    if floyd is a cherry picker - so then is pac. he eats walk up fighters for breakfast and they're the only style of fighter he fights. and the catch weight thing sucks

    pac was once incredible - the mexicutioner - who looked like an old school champ. then he made the move up in weight and into the mega pay days, and lo and behold - catch weights, arum fighters etc.

    pac and floyd are as bad as each other. cotto. now there's a guy that will fight anyone.
     
  11. raxman

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    have you read the stuff re this issue by victor conte formerly of balco? this is a guy who was an expert on ped's and more so on helping atheletes avoid detection. he says, to paraphrase, that the only way for a fighter to be clean is for testing to occur randomly right up to the day of competition - and that would be random as in 24/7 365.

    if you havent read it, its well worth the google.

    the bottom line is - blood and urine with the potential to be tested up until the day of the fight - but its interesting how long after you stop taking some of these modern peds that you're still benefitting from them.