is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ushvinder, Oct 31, 2012.


  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    **** didn't even read to the 'I think Duran could have fought Napoles but knew he'd lose' bit oh, my ****ing word :lol:

    What a mong.
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure does.

    Cokes doesn't have that much depth to his resume imo.

    It's ok to be considered great if you have a patch record like say Eddie Perkins, but to have a patchy record like Cokes' doesn't quality you imo.
     
  3. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Have you not understood my point? Napoles was the same size as Whitaker. If you compare two fighters that are the same size, beating cokes is HECK of a lot more impressive than beating a freakin featherweight.:lol:

    Sure I could name them all because I know for a fact that cokes has beaten more ranked opponents than nelson has, as a matter of fact hes beaten twice as many opponents that were at one time or another top 10 ranked. I also find it funny that you have to include nelson's wins post 1990, the time period in which he was also losing alot and old. Again, shows nelson didnt have too many top wins prior to 1991.

    Luis Rodriguez
    Manuel Gonzalez
    kenny lane
    jean josselin
    stan harrington
    ramon rodriguez
    billy collins
    fortunata monca
    francois pavilla
    charley sipes
    willie luddick

    not to mention much more depth.
     
  4. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Any given night, a guy can land a haymaker or twenty to win a fight he shouldn't, or catch an opponent at his absolute weakest(Sergio Mora v. Vernon Forrest, anyone?).

    Nelson has the depth to his resume needed to qualify for the top of the list. Curtis Cokes' depth proves him, in fact, to be a lesser fighter than Nelson: More losses, less quality spread among the wins outside of his signature victory.

    We agree.
     
  5. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Haha its easy to criticise cokes's resume because in his era, alpha soup belts didnt exist, you were only champ if you were the best in your division. Most guys nelson beat were abc alpha soup champs, put them in the 1960's and they are contenders, nothing more. Azumah's resume prior to 1991 is nothing special and after that he lost alot.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Wow, you just blew my mind. I've never contemplated these things before, do you do this for a living?
     
  7. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    A lucky right? Cokes has two wins over rodriguez, he defended his lineal belt 5 times. Adjust it by era and thats basically 5 wins over guys that probably would have carried some bogus alpha soup belt like the ibf or wbo in today's era. Besides fenech and gomez, most of the guys nelson beat would be contenders in the 1960s, they wouldnt have any lineal belt.
     
  8. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is getting utterly pitiful, and a little weird.

    Belt around your waist matters less than the quality you are. In ANY era, the best man in the division and the champ don't necessarily line up. Ducking is as old as gloves on fists. I have intimate, intimate perspective on this.
     
  9. ushvinder

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    Nelson has beaten fewer fighters that have ever been ranked, hes got half the amount of fights and cokes has the best single win between them, dont really need belts to prove a point.
     
  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree.
     
  11. ushvinder

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    LOL which of nelson's wins are better than a stoppage over a hall of fame welterweight and another win over that same welterweight? Gomez and fenech were blown up fighters from smaller weights, cokes beat a hall of fame lineal champ in his own weight class, he didnt need to bully little guys, he beat the man in his division.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Wait, is this argument because you think Nelson is Pea's best win?
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Fenech had been hitting 140lbs as a BANTAM! Hardly undersized was he?
     
  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever. Firstly, Cokes wasn't a huge welterweight and as I've said, was hardly unbeatable. Many good but not great fighters turned that trick. You can keep overplaying it if you wish. A couple of great performances by Jose and arguably a better scalp than Nelson. I'll leave it at that.


    Some decent names there, no doubt, but I don't think that list measures up to Nelson's myself.

    The best name you have there is Kenny Lane, who drew with Cokes in Curtis' own back yard. Make of that what you will.
     
  15. ushvinder

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    Sweet Scientist was the genious that claimed whitaker beating nelson is better than anything floyd or manny have accomplished. Like really, any good lightweight champ would have beat azumah nelson.

    Azumah dominated a non-traditional weight class in an alpha soup era and never unified the belts. Cokes was the LINEAL Champ of a Historic weight class and made 5 title defense and beat luis manuel rodriguez by stoppage before he even won the belt. So basically for 3 years, he was the top guy in traditional 8 weight class.