Is Saul Alvarez #1 P4P at this current moment?

You really are a "confused guy" aren't you. This isn't about scoring every single close round to Canelo. It's about understanding why the judges scored rounds 1-4 for him. By applying the scoring criteria to those rounds, naturally starting with Round 1. By counting shoulder/bicep bombs as significant punches. By paying attention to how well punches landed rather than counting punches thrown lazily as is often the case in Canelo fights.

I'm trying to extend an olive branch here to anyone who has a problem with Canelo getting each of the first 4 rounds and say you could score those rounds to Bivol. But the fact is that Canelo won those rounds according to the judges and the fans are clearly split on who won those rounds. So there's no use in trying to act like it's unreasonable to score those rounds to Canelo. I've made the point that scoring each of the first 4 to Bivol is a harder sell tha scoring each of those to Canelo because while Bivol was landing, he wasn't landing as well or as effectively as Canelo, he was not the effective aggressor, he was not the ring general, he was being made to miss more than Canelo, etc. You say "by that logic we could score all four rounds to Bivol for an overall score of 11 rounds to 1", if you haven't been paying attention that's exactly what many are in fact doing including the clueless egotist I'm debating lmao.

 

You are on a boxing forum. A place where most people are going to be fairly more invested and knowledgeable in boxing. You are the only person arguing that canelo is p4p no. 1. You are the only person claiming that it was a close fight that the judges scored correctly. Is your ego/nuthuggery that bad that you lack the ability to take a step back and question whether YOU are the one who is wrong?

You cannot be that blind as to bring up the judges scoring as if it is unquestionably the truth. Boxing is infamous for bad/biased judging. And Canelo has unarguably been the benefit of that in the past (114-114 mayweather being the most obvious example)

Also, you keep saying how the fans were split on the first 4 rounds and using that as evidence that they were close....however you seem to completely gloss over the fact that in the poll that you used to reach this conclusion, fans had voted Bivol as having won 3 of the first 4 rounds. Yeah, some of the rounds were close percentage wise in terms of those who voted for each....but either way the majority agreed that the Bivol was up after the first third of the fight. How on earth can you be so biased as to use these stats to support your arguement that Canelo deserved the first 4 rounds?

There is nobody on this site who is as biased for a fighter as you are for Canelo. And there are some real biased people here.

 

Not "some", "all" of those rounds were close % wise. That's the point. In fact, the lowest % who voted Canelo in those first four rounds was Round 1. (which was about 40% Canelo instead of about 50% or more in rounds 2-4)

The "majority" had Bivol up 3 rounds to 1 after the first 4 in the poll, but 2 of those rounds were essentially a 50/50 split and Round 1 was 60/40. So in none of those rounds was there a overwhelming majority or even a strong majority that had Bivol winning any of those rounds. For it to be unreasonable to say that Canelo deserved to win the first 4 rounds, you would need a far more decisive and one-sided % split in favor of Bivol in any of those rounds which there wasn't. My argument has never been to say Canelo "deserved" the first four rounds or to say it's unreasonable to have it 2-2 or even 3-1 Bivol. What I'm saying is that there's obvious reasons why Canelo won those rounds that people are ignoring and it has to do with the scoring criteria.

Now I went through Round 1 thoroughly, the only round out of the first 4 that Bivol even had somewhat of real majority out of the first four in that poll (60/40). Now 60/40 is still a healthy split, but I went through that round and didn't find it particualrly hard to score if you use the scoring criteria. It's abundantly clear by now that a ton of posters on this forum have a bizarre emotional attachment to scoring rounds against Canelo and don't take kindly to anyone like me who knows how judges score and try to explain it to them. I'm merely explaining to them what the judges look for and why they scored those rounds to Canelo, I'm not even making the argument that it's unreasonable to score those rounds to Bivol or anything like that. So you got it all wrong as to what my stance is on this and what I'm arguing. I'm just trying to help people understand how judges score rounds, to go over what the criteria is, and giving them specific evidence of what Canelo did in the rounds in which he won.

 

Evidence exhibit reference x56375. Complete and utter delusion.
In support of my position why did you run away from the Canelo thread failing to convince anybody....that he even won the first round?
As with every single occasion before you seem to have a memory wipe pretending what occurred weeks ago never happened...
Like you get pummeled then two weeks later you pretend that the ragdolling never occured.
The reason you get wrecked is because you're not half as smart as you think you are (despite trying to imply I'm the one with the massive ego) It's the fact you always start with a fallacy premise just because you like getting attention.
I'm not the one who starts spastic threads or fallacy stacks. Unlike you I'm a respected poster and not a troll.
I'm not wasting time on you shadow as there's nothing to prove. I've annihilated you every time making you run away for a week or for you to mentally recover from the dismantling.
The best analogue I can think of is the Bivol v Canelo fight. I'm Bivol and you are Ginger....it isn't remotely close you deluded mental midget.

 

He’s not number one and might not even be the best guy at his own weight. When Usyk beats a guy thirty pounds heavier than himself and wins all the belts in a weight class he has no right to dominate (based on his natural weight) the best Canelo can hope to achieve is second or third place. I’m not as down on Canelo as some guys but I’m not drinking the Kool Aid like others. He’s a very good fighter but PFP #1 guys don’t get thoroughly outboxed lien he did against Bivol. He made no adjustments and was outboxed all night. I expect more from PFP top guys. I want to put Crawford above Canelo but it’s hard to reward a guy who fights infrequently and still hasn’t faced the best opponent at his weight. Usyk makes it easy if he beats AJ again.

 

You say you're not wasting time on me, but yet you're the one who keeps quoting me and wanting to engage. Then I respond trying to help you get how judges score rounds, and you proceed to not address anything I said and respond with a bunch of baloney and say you're not wasting your time. Make up your mind, if you don't want to "waste your time", then why do you keep quoting me? You claim to be some kind of respectful poster and not a troll, yet you continue to hurl cringe insults my way on a regular basis while ducking any substantive discussion.

What you call me running away from the Canelo Bivol topic was me thoroughly reviewing and breaking down Round 1 and then you and the other Canelo detracting trolls in there being too thick headed for any of what I brought to your attention to register. There's no point for me to waste my time on posters like yourself who are not willing to actually address what happened in the round and why it was scored that way. I tried to spoon feed you what happened in the round but you and your butt buddies were like a little baby refusing to be spoon fed.

 

I'm looking stupid ??? ROFLMAO YOU!! are the one worshipping the Ginger fraud. Every knowledgeable boxing fan KNOWS Canelo , like Floyd before him, is a MANUFACTURED CHAMPION built by the NSAC & Vegas boxing

 

You need to be more concented with the Super Fight coming up next month between Canelo and GGG. This is big time CJ. We have a serious encounter coming up, it's the biggest fight in boxing that's been building for the last 4 years since Canelo beat the brakes off your hero and with you crying non-stop about what happened ever since. The question is CJ, can GGG beat Canelo this time or will he go 0 for 3 against his rival?

 

How can he be potentially 0 3 when he has officially only won 1 fight?

 

GGG hasn't won any fights against Canelo. He's currently 0 for 2. (0 wins in 2 fights)

 

Put up a poll numbnuts ask the forum who they believe won GGG/Ginger 1 & 2 ? You wont because you know they'll have GGG by at least 80%. 3 crooked judges look bad against 80% of boxing fans. GGG is over 40 Ginger is in his prime he SHOULD win trouble is he's STILL not good enough he only fights where he knows they wont let him lose

 

So says the forum clown Jeez MVC was bad enough youre even sillier

 

That wont make it 0 3 regardless numbnuts

 

I'm surprised you haven't claimed 94% of the members here are trolls & casuals LOL In reality it shows 94 % know what theyre talking about No way on Gods Green Earth is that Ginger fraud P4P #1 ROLFLMAO Never has been Never will be