Is Sugar Ray Leonard overrated?

I guess by this logic Trevor Berbick was a better fighter than Muhammad Ali...

 

It's classless to criticize Norris for falling off at a young age. He has Parkinson's as a result of boxing.


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he didnt struggle with Duran at all! Why do you think I can't discount his capabilities going in the Norris fight?

Did Leonard look like a shot fighter with his back to the ropes in UNO MAS?

see? you make claims but you have nothing to point to. You make vague generalizations and then on top of that, you average out the length of time between fights

I'm talking the length of time he was off before facing Norris, just over a year which is not long for an unknown fighter like Norris vs Hagler (one bout in five years)

so you even lose THAT argument!

When you bring up Camacho, you can now point to a legitimate layoff but you also choose to ignore the other side of the equation; an equally shot Hector Camacho, at a SERIOUS height and reach disadvantage

Hector proved he was the better man, with more fire or as they say in spanish "TENATES!"

more speed, a superior chin, more willing to mix it up, and vastly more experience

Even tho hector started his career much later than Ray, he had the much better experience

Let's face it, Hector owned him, made him fight his fight, and didnt let Ray catch a breather

That's how you're supposed to fight him. you dont just give him time to recover so he can "BOX" you

 

Because that fight was 14 months earlier, one of the few bouts Leonard had fought in nearly a decade's time, and Duran HIMSELF was 37 years old.. Common sense really.

No but he certainly looked like a declined fighter after being decked twice by Hearns and once by the ordinary Don Lalonde.

I have oodles to point to.

Vague generalizations?? LMAO.. No where near the type of blanket statement garbage you're making by implying that the Leonard of 1991 saw no change from the one of 1981...

From February of 1982 to February of 1991, Ray Leonard had fought a grand total of FIVE times within a nine year period, and only once within a two year period of entering the ring with Norris... And some of those performances were less than stellar.. Couple that with his age, and the fact that he hadn't weighed under 158 since 1984 and I'd say you you have a pretty good case for a diminished fighter...

I don't have to win anything.. This position of yours that Leonard was even a semblemce to prime in 1991 is self defeating as it is without anyone having to prove the contrary.

Equally shot?? Yeah hector was past it.. But not "equally".. They were SIX years apart in age, and In the time that Leonard had been off, Hector fought on 28 occasions...

The only thing that fight proved was that some fans were daft enough to fork out pay per view numbers to see a fight featuring one man who was past it and another who was exumed from the grave...

Experience is debatable as hector didn't have the amateur career that Leonard had, the quality opposition in the pros that Ray fought, or the trainers that he worked with.. The rest of those attributes were again, advantages of being the younger and more active man... Not something that anyone should have to explain really.

yes his struggles through two fights with Greg Haugen certainly proved to be a great learning curve..

Agreed 100%... But it still makes no statement about a prime for prime comparison...

 

You can f off with the insults

Go back and read the boxing articles from right after the fight

It was pretty much universally agreed that Leonard's performance in the Norris fight was that of a badly faded fighter.

The ****ogy I made is spot on.

You're the only one in this thread who thinks Terry Norris beat anything close to a prime Leonard.

And, to make things more laughable, you act like Camacho beating Leonard has any significance.

I really can't explain it as well as Magoo. He pretty much covered it and owned you on the finer points.

BTW

If you were truly an objective boxing ****yst, you would post on a cross section of threads.

I only see you in Leonard and Norris threads.

I think your subjectivity is pretty obvious.

 

please stop with your trolling. it's annoying

 

well he was decked by the ordinary Kevin Howard in 1984

and seriously staggered by Marco Geraldo in 1979

was he past his prime in those fights too?

 

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that's right, NO

thanks for proving my point for me

 

yeah, so where are they? They never seem to show up

once again, you made a claim but couldnt back it up!

 

"From February of 1982 to February of 1991, Ray Leonard had fought a grand total of FIVE times within a nine year period,

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. And some of those performances were less than stellar.. Couple that with his age, and the fact that he hadn't weighed under 158 since 1984 and I'd say you you have a pretty good case for a diminished fighter... "

that is blatantly FALSE

You sir, are a LIAR!

14 months does NOT add up to two years

You little skunk

and so what if some of his performances were less than stellar?

Thanks for the ammo, dunce!

He gotr floored by Howard meaning he wasnt that good to begin with

he wasnt exactly a ball of fire in his fight with Bonds. What do you think that means? It means he can only handle an opponent that comes straight at him. that's how he's been trained

THEREFORE, he was toast against someone like Norris. Ray had never seen speed before and for the first time became confused because he didnt have the experience

with you, excuses come by the dozen "Oh, now his weight's not right! Never mind the fact he was never a middleweight, dropping down to 154 seriously handicapped him!"

"Rooster, can't you see that in his 50 fights since 1984, that he had not fought under 158? I'd say you have a pretty good ccase for a diminished fighter!"

 

The Rooster is as low as they get. Complete idiot at the Kevin level or below.

Once again please let everyone know of all the historians that rank Norris and Camacho over SRL all time p4p. Everyone is waiting.

Know why you can't answer this question? No known and respected historian rates Norris or Camachco over Leonard.

 

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Told you so.

 

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