Is this heavyweight list good, or bad?

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  1. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    1. Jack Johnson
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. John J. Sullivan
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Jack Dempsey
    6. Mike Tyson
    7. Rocky Marciano
    8. Lennox Lewis
    9. Evander Holyfield
    10. Joe Frazier

    I think it's terrible just because he put johnson and sullivan above louis and he doesn't even have liston in the top 10
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    All 10 names are reasonable, but I dont like the order.

    Sonny Liston doesn't necessarily belong in a top 10.
     
  3. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who's list is it? I'm not a fan of a top ten without Holmes in it. Johnson's too high, Sullivan?
     
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    You're right about Holmes. I missed that. Holmes belongs.
     
  5. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Well, the list belongs to a guy named jak1anorue, some tyson fanboy on youtube.
    I don't agree with it at all. Personally, He's got the names all wrong. His reasoning for having Sullivan that high, (Despite having any films or anything like that), is because he was the first heavyweight champion ever.. big whoop.
     
  6. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's interesting and unique, I'll give him that, but not good. Kind of a Bert Randolph Sugar type effort. That's why I asked who's it was.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You can't just put up a list with no sort of context. It's an exercise for simpletons.
     
  8. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Glad you could join ;-)
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Seriously, these lists mean nothing without qualification. How is author weighing head-to-head estimations, quality of opposition, record, legacy, importance to the development of technique, importance to the development of the sport as an economic entity....

    Jack Johnson, for example, might not make my top-50 in a head to head sense. However, in regards to legacy and technique, he is top-10. I grade him differently in relation to the context.

    A request for criteria really should not be necessary every time someone posts one of these lists. Yet, here we go again.
     
  10. Dempsey1238

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    What about his ten year rein or cleaning out the divsion before the likes of Jackson and Corbett came on the scene??
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd find it very hard in deciding where to place Sullivan. Boxing was a very different sport in The Boston Strongman's day. As I've said on previous threads,it was going through a transitional phase between old time prizefighting,and boxing as we've come to know it today.
     
  12. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes,Sugar was very keen on the early fighters.
     
  13. bodhi

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    :good
     
  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell boxng is a differnet sport from the 1970's and back.

    Boxing was way differnet in the era of Jack Dempsey with the lack of rules.
     
  15. TommyV

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    Pretty weak. No Holmes or Liston? Sullivan #3? Johnson #1 ahead of Ali & Louis?