is Wilder/Stiverne 2 the worst rematch ever?

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  1. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely not Wilders fault. He fought like a champion.

    There should be more heat put on the WBC, for not only this complete mismatch, but also the Dillian Whyte fiasco where Whyte is supposed to the mandatory. However, it was said the winner of the lower ranked Molina/Breazeale fight would replace the newly ranked number 1 contender Whyte who just got to that placing and hasn't even had a mandatory challenge. This defeats the purpose of having a number 1 contender. The WBC might as well have all their top 10 boxers in that division, as number 1 contenders and scratch the top 10 rankings all together for their organisation.

    At the moment, it seems the WBC just picks who they'd like to see fight Wilder from the top 10, not the opponents the people want to see. Putting Stiverne in there was just poor match-making and a poor display of a boxing "fight". If the champ Wilder felt disrespected by the WBC and Stiverne for giving him such a easy fight, I wouldnt blame him. Stiverne should retire because of that rematch.
     
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  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Eh, you never know. On paper Wonjongkam vs. Naito II looked ridiculous. But hey, it's one of the best multi-fight rivalries in recent years so good thing they went along with II and even III for that matter.

    Ali/Liston II is a good shout out. But it is also one of the most obviously fixed bouts in history.

    Wilder/Stiverne II was terrible but not all that much worse than many other cases. Lots of top fighters in Asia and South America end up facing the same overmatched and overwhelmed opponent multiple times.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I hate Wilder too but lets be real here...

    The fact that Stiverne is the fighter whom Wilder won the belt from alone makes it much better and defensible on principle than dozens, and hundreds, of other examples.
     
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    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    There was a well known rumor that Don King and Haymon made a deal before the fight for Stiverne to take a dive early so as to make Wilder look good. No wonder Stiverne did not lose weight or train for the fight, hell, he didn't even throw a punch! How did Stiverne every get ranked in the first place? I posted it before the fight ever happened! Breazeale can't fight at all and is owned by Haymon so Wilder will fight him next, not Whyte on Andy Ruiz who are ranked above him. Al Bernstein made that point on Showtime. That crap was WWE and I can't believe so many fell for the dive!
     
  5. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Was there? Got any source?
     
  6. chmdgy

    chmdgy New Member Full Member

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    Hopkins/Jones, Kovalev/Pascal
     
  7. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Yes it is.

    And Stiverne 2 is the worst mandatory ever.
     
  8. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    He retired after his last fight this was a wreck for a paycheck
     
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  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think its on par with Lewis - McCall II for being one of the most disgraceful rematches ever.
     
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  10. Beez

    Beez Active Member Full Member

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    See I would believe that if he went down and stayed and after the first or even second knock down...

    but when he was up against the ropes for the final knock down he had his guard up and wilder to be fair hit him with two wicked and accurate punches which would of ended most of the division's night.

    If the fix was in surely he wouldnt of taken them.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Objectively speaking Klitschko vs. Brewster was much worse.

    He was rusty and in dreadful nick but at least Stiverne wasn't legally half blind.

    Poetically yes the fans love them a fightin' champ who avenges his losses (before anyone comes in sputtering "but that's different! Brewster defeated Wlad and Stiverne didn't beat Wilder so in this one there was unfinished business to settle!) but in this case it would have served Wlad just as well to skip avenging that one rather than waste a defense on an uncomfortable farce of a fight like that.
     
  12. MVC!

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    Reminds me of

    Louis/Schmeling, similar way of winning, multiple knockdowns, KO1

    Except Wilder won the first one.