Ismael Laguna

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GPater11093, Nov 29, 2010.


  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, he WAS Mr. Butt!!:D
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Driscoll is probably no 1,imo.
    Winstone was no slouch either.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Good man.

    I don't know too much about Winstone to be honest.
     
  4. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Winstone's style is more like Ohba or to an extent Harold Johnson, just with no real power at world level.He has more of an orthodox,compact, textbook approach,moves in tight circles\working angles rather than controlling the ring perimeter as much. though doesn't mind mixing it up.
     
  5. Tin_Ribs

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    What sets Driscoll above Buchanan and Winstone in a h2h sense for me is the one important thing that he seemed to have over both of em: namely, top class power in his right hand.
    As for Laguna, his fight with Elorde has always interested me, although I can't seem to find much info on it other than the odd short write-up. Terrific little fighter, was Ismael - at least, from what I've seen of him. And apart from a very small loss in the way of pure speed, I think he looked as good as ever around the time of the first Buchanan fight despite what seems to be the consensus, dishing out the lashings that he did to Ramos here and Suzuki in his following fight. Everybody on here seems to be well enough aware of what a top class fighter Ramos could be on the offensive front when he pulled his finger out, but Laguna is just better than him here with those wick, slicing blows.
    Still, him not being the biggest lightweight caught up to him down the stretch a bit against Buchanan in the end. Both of those fights show some brilliant boxing from the both of them.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Totally concur,footage of him ,shows him looking to unload it , and ,when he does, bingo!
     
  7. mcvey

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    Winstone sparred with Buchanan ,as both were managed by Eddie Thomas.
     
  8. Tin_Ribs

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    Yep. Any young un in the gym wanting a double lesson on how to jab might've learned a thing or two from watching those two have a friendlyish stab at each other.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Cheers for that. Seems like I would like him. I have 2-3 minutes of highlights of his title bout with Seki, I'll have to watch it.

    I think he was a better ring general in the sense that with his jabs and feints he really did control his opponents, from what I can understand. And his skills at world title level were proven as he out-boxed and out-foxed and out-generalled Attel with apparent ease, whereas Buchanan in his toughest, in a pure boxing sense, opponent in Laguna he was forced to impose himself physically. Although that could have been an easier way to victory than out-boxing the Panamanian flash.

    Could you sum it up for me?

    I think Laguna was in the best form of his life before tackling Buchanan. No-one picks apart a semi-motivated, who IMO looked in top form, in that way. OK, I had the bout close at the time of stoppage, Laguna looked to be taking the lead IMO

    Agreed.

    I knew that, that would have been something to watch.

    Wasn't Winstone the reason Buchanan went with Thomas?
     
  10. lora

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    Incidentally i believe Buchanan has mentioned he thought McGowan was the best technical boxer of the British fighters.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    How the hell did I forget about him?

    A superb wee boxer, I'd probably rank him over Buchanan in the 'pure boxing stakes'.

    I love the way he gets those angles and hooks off the jab.
     
  12. lora

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    who do you prefer between Laguna and Marcel?.
     
  13. Tin_Ribs

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    Greg, I think I read an online United Press summary that had Laguna winning in the early going before Elorde put him down in the 4th, edged in front after said knockdown made Laguna a bit more cautious and then put a bit of daylight between them after the knockdown in the 9th. Seems to have been that what separated em and justified Elorde getting the nod on home soil as he did. This was yonks ago though, so I'm not sure. If it's an accurate summary then this surely has to rank as outstanding win for Elorde. Tackling him in Manila in front of that lot was probably a bit of an unenviable job.

    I'm not sure about Buchanan joining Thomas partly because of Winstone, though it seems like a logical enough factor.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Probably Marcel, I think he was a much better all round technician and could adapt his gameplan at the turn of a hat. Like in the Shiabata fight.

    Sounds a good fight. I've never really thought much of Elorde but this is a real good win.

    There was a definite reason that Buchanan went with Thomas, I might have to dig out his auto-biography to get it though.
     
  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ken was definitely getting pissed of with the attention winstone was getting in the thomas gym