Israel Vazquez vs Jeff Fenech

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  1. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    12 rounds at 122...

    Who wins?
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Guzman would have smashed both into pieces at 122.
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    He was absolutely phenominal at 122. Wont be mentioned among the greats at the weight because he didn't accomplish much, but H2H, he's surely one of the greats.

    How do you think he would have fared against Wilfredo Gomez?
     
  4. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    It's really sad that he couldn't get a Pac fight at 122 or anything else significant. People will remember him much more for what he has done and will do past his prime at 130 and over, not what he was at 122. He was perfect there. Hopefully if he beats JMM, Juan Diaz, and unifies at 135 he could become an ATG.

    Even right now Guzman still gets no respect. He's easily in the top 5 most exciting fighters in the world (top 1 for me, unless Gamboa becomes what he was at 122 :D) and a lot boxing fans don't want to see him fight. Unbelievable.
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your avatar shows Guzman>JMM>Pac. When Pac smashes JMM all over the place, will you consider that perhaps your analysis of those 3 fighters maybe wrong? :) Its more like Guzman<JMM<Pac.
     
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    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I might consider changing it to Guzman < Prime JMM < Pac < Past-prime JMM :D
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That doesnt make sense. So Pac beats a prime JMM but a past prime JMM beats Pac despite Pac beating a past prime JMM?

    And when exactly is JMM's prime...when he lost to Chris John? When he drew with the much more 1 dimensional Pac, when he lost to Norwood, or when he beat MAB?
     
  8. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Wrong way, I meant >.

    JMM didn't lose to John and he clearly beat Pac if you scored these fights correctly.
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you score the fight correctly taking away the judges error, Pac won the fight. JMM landed around 10more punches than Pac the entire fight but got KD 3 times in return. 3KD over 10 punches anyday. Pac won. Scoring it round by round, the best JMM could have got was a draw.

    JMM has beaten noone. His best achievement is a draw vs Pac and a close win against MAB. Or do you think he was closer to his prime loosing to Norwood than beating MAB?
     
  10. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    KTFO!!! what Gomez did at 122 has not been equaled by any fighetr
    since.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I, too, think Gomez beats Guzman. He was incredible at 122 - the best ever at the weight.