Jack Dempsey vesus Mike Tyson's Opposition

I'm sensing an anti Dempsey agenda here. Could Jack beat all these fighters in succession? Damned if I know but I wouldn't dismiss his chances entirely. Jack at his best was a very dangerous opponent. Many of the big modern heavyweights we tend to hold in higher esteem than Jack fought in pretty much linear patterns while Dempsey utilized more movement and angles. I'm not saying that it was superior but it was different than what the aforementioned HW's were accustomed to facing and it might've caused them problems when combined with Jack's handspeed and power. Dempsey feasted on larger men. It was smaller boxers who seemed to give him the most trouble...sort of like Joe louis. And I don't think Michael Spinks was the same size as Luis Firpo. His basic dimensions may have been similar but his body mass was smaller. Firpo trained down to 215 or more while Spinks trained up tp his HW self with the aid of a conditioning coach and weight training regimen. When he faced a real HW of superior ablity in Mike Tyson, he was demolished. Too many questions in my opinion when asking whether someone like Dempsey would beat a fighter from the future...but like I said, I wouldn't dismiss him.

 

What has Dempsey's opposition got to do with it ?
I already stated I'm not saying they were any better than Tyson's.

The point is : you clearly like to embellish and boost the value of Tyson's opposition by describing them in such glowing terms. Just admit they were a bit crap and move on. :thumbsup

 

I don't see any agenda...maybe a bit of a playful poke from Seamus, but no real agenda against Dempsey. It's a valid question and has sparked some nice debate so far.

 

Comparing Willard to either Klitschko is like comparing John Ruiz to Muhammed Ali, I mean look at the similarities, both use the jab and clinch, it's the same thing

 

Can't compare him to Wlad because Jeff had an iron chin and did not fight safety first every second of every fight ...

 

hear, hear !:good

 

Jeff Wizzard

 

A criticism that I have often directed against others.

Of the two brothers, Vitally is far more like Willard.

Watch Willard Moran then watch Peter Klitschko and you will see the similarity.

I agree that the Klitschkos have better co-ordination, as they do relative to nearly all men their size, but that dosn't alter the fact that Willard is using verry much the same tactics.

This is hardly in line with the idea of him being a stumblebum farmhand who only won because he was big.

Watch that.
When Wladimir jabs, he remains out of reach. Mormeck is unable to hit him from that distance as Wladimir is neither off-balance nor in range to be countered. The only way Mormeck can land a punch is by jumping in, and if he does that he'll either be tied up or Klitschko will hop backwards and jab again.
Wladimir's style is very efficient. It may not make for good viewing, but he's there to win bouts and that's exactly what he does.

When Wladimir knocks him out it's with a simple 1-2 combination right down the stretch. Willard knocked Johnson out with the same kind of combo.[/quote]

Again, we see technical similarities.

Willard knew how to use his size prey well, and it was effective against limited fighters. He would probably have beaten Peter or Mormeck nearly as convincingly as the Klitschko brothers did, for all the same reasons.

In some ways, Willard had the natural talent to be the superheavyweight of Seamus's dreams.

He had the power of a Wlad and the chin of a Vitally, combined with better stamina than we have seen in a superheavyweight since.

but:

A. He did not take up boxing until his late 20s and had no amateur experience.

B. He killed a man in the ring, which always ruins a fighter, even if they get things back together.

C. He likley never had the ideal mentality in the first place.

What could he have been under different circumstances though?

 

Tucker and Holmes would UD him, the others he would probably beat, though Brunos jab might give him nightmares for halfthe fight.

 

Tucker and Holmes are certainly the ones that I would identify as the greatest threats.

 

yes the speed and jab (and actual KO strength) of prime pre-drugs Tucker would at at least keep JD at bay for 15 rounds as they did with Tyson. A smart fight plan should win him it. Decision Tucker, SD.

And of course prime Holmes is a supreme jab machine, he would wreck JDs face up, but its hard to see JD stopping a guy with such amazing recuperative powers and a solid chin. JD would 'forget to duck' again. Decision Holmes, UD.