jack demspey vs george foreman

Would be similar to the Firpo fight.. Only difference is that once Foreman knocked Dempsey out of the ring, he'd stay there.

 

Dempsey didn't hit hard enough to bother Big George!!!??? Only one of the most powerful punchers in history!! atsch

You talk about Lyle as if he was a more devastating puncher than Dempsey???:huh PLUS - FOREMAN DID NOT EAT LYLES BEST SHOTS AT ALL??? HE DAMN NEAR GOT BLASTED AWAY BY THEM GOT KNOCKED DOWN TWICE BY THEM AND ALL OVER THE RING BY MANY OTHERS AND HAD ONE OF HIS TEETH SMASHED INTO HIS GUM BY THEM??? FOREMAN WAS AS CLOSE TO GONE AS IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE AGAINST LYLE??

Also Frazier managed to half glance Foreman with ONE LEFT HOOK IN DESPERATION so you can't really say he ate Fraziers best at all - Frazier did nothing at all and was a sitting duck - Frazier did virtually nothing against George?? As for Frazier's defence against George being better than Dempsey's....oh my??:roll:

Morrison was on the back foot the whole night against Fat Old George and Holyfield?? - don't even try to compare the punching power of Holyfield to Jack Dempsey!!?? Come On??

 

Got no idea who'd win this fight. I'd start the fight on the edge of my seat.

Foreman could be hit, and Dempsey was glad to hit people for as long as it took. But it would be hell to have to come in to a guy like George; and I don't look for George to be finished quick, so George would have oportunity to get his own shots in. George could cut a ring pretty well, so I don't see Jack even able to dance outside, much less willing once Foreman lands. Once George really lands -- and I think George will be around plenty long enough for that to happen -- i think it turns into a life and death struggle.

Jack's general advantage, compared to Frazier or Tyson, is that Jack could be an in-fighter like Frazier, or a coming-in-fighter like Tyson. Against Willard -- who Jack thought would be too big to infight -- Jack was a very effective coming-in-fighter. Jack's probably not going to be able to stay on the inside with George, any more than Frazier, unless George is really wobbly, or till George starts to fatigue. Jack would try to draw punches and dart in with his own. Even that's Russian Roulette with Big George.

Great fight.

 

A silly recurring hypothesis with this match-up is that Dempsey is the one who is on a tightrope.

Don't be fooled by an overweight, over-confident Joe Frazier barely skimming Foreman's chin. The theory that Foreman beats all come forward fighters is as vulnerable to attack as ponderous George would be to Dempsey's abrupt pouncing. That big hook will land, and it's going to do Foreman about as many favours as his right uppercut will do for Jack.

Dempsey never faced a puncher like Foreman, and vice versa.

 

My point was Foreman has been unloaded on by HUGE punchers and never really been deterred, also hop off Dempsey's dick alright

 

I'd certainly say Lyle deterred his ass, and Ali knocked him out. Period. Dont care if it was because of shittastic stamina.

 

You guys are all spellbound by the Foreman-Frazier fight. You think that since Frazier lost to him, then all offensive swarming fighters would lose to Foreman too.

But Frazier was the worst swarming HW champion ever. Marciano, Tyson and Dempsey were much better than him: faster, more pawerful, and had much better defense (not just ducking).

Add to that that Frazier was 10 pounds fatter in the Foreman fight than he was when he beat Ali. Frazier thought Foreman was a bum, so he stopped training seriously and started eating hamburgers.

Foreman is overrated because of 2 or 3 wins over not-so-good opposition. That era was full of fat, slow fighters, which is why Ali looked so fast even past his prime.

 

Damn, you are by far teh dumbest poster in this thread. You should be ashamed.

 

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I agree

I like Foreman here, by late TKO, but would be different than Frazier against Foreman...

 

Foreman KO2 Dempsey

 

Dempsey, more skilled, way quicker, and if it lasts (which I doubt) more stamina by far.

 

Morrison, Lyle, and Holyfield !!! You got to be kidding, Dempsey punched way harder than any of them. Frazier was not a one punch ko type, he needed to hit opponent repeatedly to put them away.

 

Foreman in prime had one great performance, against a fat Joe Frazier, who walked right into him. Life and death agaisnt Lyle, fell apart against Ali, totally. KO'd by Jimmy Young. What makes him great? If not for comeback, he's forgotten.

 

If we are talking about two all time great fighters in their prime who were both near unbeatable H2H then go with the one with the most experience. prime Dempsey has a massive edge in seasoning here. Its no use comparing the merits of old George with the free swinging talent of the 1970s because they were two different guys.

Young Foreman was great against a slow chopping block like chuvalo and could measure Frazier who was missing that second of timing that had previously made him special, but he could not get out of the way of ron lyle who was so much slower than Dempsey.

Ted gullick was a 190 pounder who faced foreman just before his big Frazier win and with world class power Gullick would have ruined the whole foreman story. Lucky Big george had the raw talent, chin to shrug Ted off and make his power count but would not have against a more durable ATG level specimen even the same size as Ted.

IMO this fantasy match is size and raw talent vs speed and seasoned talent. I would take seasoned prime over raw prime 7 days a week.