Jack Johnson vs. Kovalev and Tua

Burns at 168. Langford at 156. Both times Johnson was under 200 pounds. I'll comment later on how I see these two fantasy matches going.

 

Hello Janitor,

??? Kovalev is bigger more skilled and hits harder than almost all of Johnson title opponents. I fail to see your point. Help me understand a bit, or see the weights and records of then men he fought, and compare that to Kovalev who is roughly 186 pounds on fight night.

Tua was in a loaded era. You need to be durable to beat him, and throw a lot of punches / move to keep him off, or hit hard enough to keep him off.

Johnson is 0-2, and if iffy on the " throw a lot of punches / moves to keep him off/away "

 

Van,

I agree, but when you talk about Johnson, many of his best name victories are vs. green and young types ( McVey a teenager, Jeannette, a raw novice with a sometimes losing record and Langford, who was just 20 and 156 pounds )or past their prime types ( Jeffries 5 years off 300+ pounds )

He beat Tommy Bruns, 5'7" tall, 168 pounds. That's probably his best win and it took 14 rounds to do it. Burns was at a lower weight, and a book and the best black historian of these times say he had something of a Jaundice.

In his title fights, Johnson struggled vs. a 160 pound Jack O'Brien, who primary sources felt outboxed this alleged defensive wizard with jabs, got floored by another super middle in Ketchel, got TKO'd in an exhibition match by Gun Boat Smith, who at the time was a hot prospect and should have received a title fight, and failed to finish quite a few easy marks. All this while avoiding prime versions of Langford, Jeanette, and Mcvey, who were measurably better in 1909-1914.

The best heavyweight Johnson likely fought was Willard, and he lost that one via KO.

When Johnson fought guys that were seasoned but not past it, he lost to Choynski, Griffin and Hart.

So it is factual to say that Jack Johnson is unproven vs. the best in their prime and lost to the best heavyweight fighters he meets when they were in their prime.

Johnson fought many of his most famous matches when he had the age and experience advantage.

Kovalev likely TKo's him late, and Tua based on Johnson low hands, stationary feet, questionable chin when hit by punches, and limited firepower for Tua to fear likely catches him. So unless you think Tua didn't hit as hard as Choynski who KO'd Johnson cold or Gunboat Smith who knocked him silly in a 4 round exhibition match to the point where the NY Times said his manager had to halt the match and the round, he's losing via KO TO Tua.

Best guesses:

Kovalev TKO around round 8. Scorecards could be close

Tua KO inside six rounds.

 

I agree, but when you talk about Johnson, many of his best name victories are vs. green and young types ( McVey a teenager, Jeannette, a raw novice with a sometimes losing record and Langford, who was just 20 and 156 pounds )or past their prime types ( Jeffries 5 years off 300+ pounds )

He beat Tommy Bruns, 5'7" tall, 168 pounds. That's probably his best win and it took 14 rounds to do it. Burns was at a lower weight, and a book and the best black historian of these times say he had something of a Jaundice.

In his title fights, Johnson struggled vs. a 160 pound Jack O'Brien, who primary sources felt outboxed this alleged defensive wizard with jabs, got floored by another super middle in Ketchel, got TKO'd in an exhibition match by Gun Boat Smith, who at the time was a hot prospect and should have received a title fight, and failed to finish quite a few easy marks. All this while avoiding prime versions of Langford, Jeanette, and Mcvey, who were measurably better in 1909-1914.

The best heavyweight Johnson likely fought was Willard, and he lost that one via KO.

When Johnson fought guys that were seasoned but not past it, he lost to Choynski, Griffin and Hart.

So it is factual to say that Jack Johnson is unproven vs. the best in their prime and lost to the best heavyweight fighters he meets when they were in their prime.

Johnson fought many of his most famous matches when he had the age and experience advantage.

Kovalev likely TKo's him late, and Tua based on Johnson low hands, stationary feet, questionable chin when hit by punches, and limited firepower for Tua to fear likely catches him. So unless you think Tua didn't hit as hard as Choynski who KO'd Johnson cold or Gunboat Smith who knocked him silly in a 4 round exhibition match to the point where the NY Times said his manager had to halt the match and the round, he's losing via KO TO Tua.

Best guesses:

Kovalev TKO around round 8. Scorecards could be close

Tua KO inside six rounds.

Excellent shape? BULL S&hit. He was at a low weight ( when he needed to be heavier ), and I can show you two sources that say he wasn't 100% healthy. We have been over this. When I have the facts, you ignore them. Proven 100 times here

Oh, he gave public sparring sessions!!! So what:hi:

That's not what we read. He was heavy and had to lose 50+ pounds for sure. But more than that he had not fought in six years, and was 35.

Box rec said less than that :deal. I posted primary sources that said O'Brien was the better in the six round. Once again your too dense o learn. What we have here is a super middle making a prime heavyweight champion look bad. Where was this defense to avoid the smaller man's jab?

For a while, he was a hot prospect with wins over Langford, ( who Johnson avoided giving a title match to ) and wins over Willard and Moran. At any rate, he TKO'd Johnson in a ring when Johnson was in his prime, and Smith green. Lol

If I lived in NY it would be your most painful summer ever as long as we are in a combat ring. But I don't live there. Keep pounding your chest over 1,000 miles of distance

PS: I'm glad you despise me. I will call out your bigotry and lies when I see fit here. I have fun with it at times.

PPS: Are you going to make picks or attempt to hide without making one? Johnson vs. Tua and Kovalev is the topic.