Japan or Argentina?

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which nation would you say has had a richer boxing history and has given more to the sport? Which has produced the better overall fighters, if you can nail it down to any degree?

    Well? :blood
     
  2. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Argentina. More great fighters. Monzon, Perez, Locche, etc.
     
  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Hard one IMO.....
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was thinking that while Argentina has by far the bigger names on most pound-for-pound lists, Japan might have more per capita world class fighters that have left a mark, while not having the huge standout (with the possible exception of Harada).......sort of level-loading, if you will.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm partial to Argentine fighters but I am pretty sure their past and depth is greater.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's a list of their top fighters (i'm sure to have missed a few) to aid discussion.


    Argentina.........................Japan
    Carlos Monzon....................Fighting Harada
    Nicolino Locche...................Hiroyuki Ebihara
    Pascual Perez.....................Shoji Orguma
    Victor Galindez....................Teruo Kosaka
    Santos Laciar......................Yoshiaki Numata
    Jorge Fernandez..................Masao Ohba
    Horacio Accavallo................Jiro Watanabe
    Jorge Ahumada...................Guts Ishimatsu
    Luis Federico Thompson........Hiroshi Kobayashi
    Eduardo Lausse...................Kuniaki Shibata
    Gregorio Peralta...................Shozo Saijo
    Manuel Alvarez....................Shigeji Kaneko
    Rocky Rivero.......................Yoko Gushiken
    Hugo Corro.........................Eijiro Murata
    Sergio Martinez...................Kiyoshi Tanabe
    Justo Suarez.......................Masomori Tokuyama
    Jorge Castro........................Sadao Yaoita
     
  7. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tremendously helpful; thanks!
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You missed Julio Cesar Vasquez with 11 title fight victories.
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And we were just talking about him the other day.... :patsch

    Good pick up :good
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think this list shows that talent-wise, it's very close, but when you add in the achievements of the said fighters, it's hard to go past the Argentinians.

    More a reflection of the weight divisions they fought in and the historical period in which they fought than anything else imo.
     
  11. Surf-Bat

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    Oscar Bonavena
    Eduardo Corletti
    Juan Roldan
    Jose Maria Gatica
    Luis Firpo
    Alejandro Levorante
    Ubaldo Sacco
     
  12. Flea Man

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    It's close.

    Harada is greater than Monzon IMO.
     
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    Very underrated fighter IMO.
     
  14. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Its close but i give the edge to Argentina but both are amongst the best boxing nations in the world.
     
  15. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Japan is less recognized because they dominate all the fly-light weight divisions which a lot of people dont pay attention to