Jim Jefferies vs. Max Schmeling

Jeffries did not hit as hard as Baer or Louis

 

Some who saw the three said did. I think Jeffres body punching and hook were better than Baer's and Louis.

Jeffries to me was a better boxer than Baer, and a bit more agressive and rougher than Louis. Schemling did not like pressure fighters.

I'd give Bear the edge on one punch right hand shots, and Louis edge on right hands, hand speed, and combinations.

Either way, Schemling isn't durable to beat Jeffries unless he pulls off a near perfect type of performance. Schemling had a decent footwork and defense, but he wasn't Jim Corbett.

 

It must be noted that these knockout losses were all early in Schgmelings career. When he stepped up to heavyweight his only knockout losses were at the hands of Baer and Louis, whose credentials as punchers preceed them.

At worst I would say that we are looking at a mixed picture here.

 

I disagree here also.

Schmeling seemed to positivley thrive on come forward fighters. Take Steve Hamas and Walter Neusell for example.

 

The first stoppage on Max,s record was a technical one ,the Daniels one was a caught cold scenario it happens to the best chins eg Joey Maxim v Shepard. Daniels was a little more than a journey man he was British Light Heavyweight Champ.Max fought Hamas twice Hamas never stopped him in either fight,if Max'x s skills prevented all these guys from koing him ,maybe they could prevent the less than polished Jeffries from turning the trick? I think Jeffries would probably win this fight ,but it isnt a forgone conclusion.if Sharkey could go the distance twice with Jeffries there is a reasonable chance the bigger, harder hitting ,better boxing ,Schmeling could do it too.Incidentally I think Max beats Sharkey rather handily.When a fighter goes the distance with a decent puncher at the age of 43 ,I think its reasonable to assume he hasnt a bad chin. In his prime which was at Heavyweight only two men stopped him Baer and Louis ,Baer was a monster right hand puncher and Schmeling was in his mid 30s and declining when Louis kod him,both Baer and Louis are considered significantly heavier punchers than Jeffries., who generally wore down his opponents ,stopping them with an accumulation of blows ,over several rounds.

 

Wow Mendoza you are selling max schmeling really short against punchers! Max Schmeling absolutley dominated the greatest puncher of all time knocking him out.

Jeffries drew with a 163lb man, got hammered in the early rounds by a 37 year old 167lb man, could not floor a 5'8 183lb man, and was outboxed for 23 rounds by a 33 year old inactive 190lb man.........Schmeling could do better

 

This gentleman answered this one for me. Good analysis!

 

Gains has 50 inside the distance stoppages on his record,two men stopped Schmeling at Heavyweight Baer and Louis,thats no disgrace .

 

spot on.:good

 

Gains was not big time puncher. He stopped Scheling in two rounds Daniels, who was a journeyman stopped him in one! Sorry, this shows that mere solid hitters can and did take Schmeling out early. How else could one look at it?

Fighters with solid chins do not go out quickly vs non-power hitters. It’s not like either of these fights were among Schmeling’s first 15 so the green card really can’t be played to the hilt either.

 

Then why does he get blasted in one round by Louis then?

 

Some of these fights mean little more than an amateur loss on the record of a contemporary fighter.

You cant ignore the fact that once Schmeling stepped up to heavyweight and hit his stride he was only taken out by all time great punchers despite a large number of fights against ranked oponents.

 

Three observations.

1. He also beat Louis on a previous ocasion.

2. Louis dose not really fit the mould of a typical pressure fighter.

3. Louis was the greatest finisher of all time bar none.

 

Janitor,

To an extent you are what your record says you are. Chins do not get better as a fighter moves up in class. If Schmeling was taken out by light heavies, it makes his chin look more suspect.

 

back in those days, such knockout losses have to be viewed in a somewhat different light than they have to be viewed today.

fighters fought often and most of the time didnt have proper time to prepare. most of the time they would get a card from a promoter that would say "you fight ten rounds next friday".......and "today" would be like tuesday.

and most of the time you wouldnt know a thing about the other guy until you get into the ring with him.

they didnt long amateur careers back then. you were basically still a boxing beginner when you started out as a pro.
and if you are basically a kid and then run into bad luck when you suddenly find yourself in the ring with an old pro (like schmeling did with gypsy daniels)................hey, you can get sparked.

it may sound funny, but you gotta "learn" to take a punch. i remember when i started out at age 11, i got dropped and stopped quite a bit simply cause i wasnt mentally right to take a punch. i was scared and felt totally hyper during sparring sessions, still afraid that i was gonna get hurt.

until i got the hang of it. i developed a fierce determination and suddenly..........i had a good chin. i only got dropped once in actual fights, and that was by a body shot.
i got stopped once............a punch caught me right in the eye and i couldnt see (couldnt read for two days with that eye).

so what im trying to say is that schmeling was still in his learning faze and he got over matched.

schmeling always had a good chin, pretty close to an iron one.

look at the schmeling vs baer fight. baer hit him with about 20 flush shots before dropping him. but schmeling got up..............should be prove enough.