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JMM not only avoided PAC..He avoided EM too!!!!

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Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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BxN said:

His manager also happens to be his trainer, who is one of the best (if not THE best) in the game.
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If he is the best as you claim I don't want to argue about it! too bad! the business decision does not seem to show he is the best. GETTING 31K purse vs 750Kpurse. Wise decision!? best manager simply does not jive!

If you still think he is the best manager so be it! No point in arguing trivial money matters which you and I would not get a single dollar:yep

Silvermags, Nov 8, 2007

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nacho is definitely a great trainer but he's definitely not the same as a manager. he should abdicate that role to somebody else like maybe shelly finkel.

Chert, Nov 8, 2007

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Silvermags said:

If he is the best as you claim I don't want to argue about it! too bad! the business decision does not seem to show he is the best. GETTING 31K purse vs 750Kpurse. Wise decision!? best manager simply does not jive!

If you still think he is the best manager so be it! No point in arguing trivial money matters which you and I would not get a single dollar:yep
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Best trainer, not manager.

BxN, Nov 8, 2007

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psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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JMM not only avoided PAC..He avoided EM too!!!!
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I have already mentioned this over and over and over and over in here. :yep

Now he is desperate to taste a big money fight.

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:good :happy

psychopath, Nov 8, 2007

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Chert said:

nacho is definitely a great trainer but he's definitely not the same as a manager. he should abdicate that role to somebody else like maybe shelly finkel.
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Too late. :yep

psychopath, Nov 8, 2007

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BxN said:

Best trainer, not manager.
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who has Nacho trained..Just curious

chimba, Nov 8, 2007

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It is interesting that EM, MAB and PAC have gone through countless fights with each other (MAB-EM, trilogy), (PAC-EM, triology) (PAC-MAB, twice). And yet JMM fought MAB once, PAC once and EM never happened.

I would've liked to see a EM-JMM fight. It's too bad.

punchdynamo, Nov 8, 2007

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We'll know who PACMAN would fight next after the Sotto-Guzman fight. Whoever wins, Marquez will still be on his options though.

etong_08, Nov 8, 2007

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We'll know who PACMAN would fight next after the Sotto-Guzman fight. Whoever wins, Marquez will still be on his options though.
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If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.

IsaL, Nov 8, 2007

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Silvermags said:

So lets put your calculus in practice. Lets make it easier.
First question for yor

which is greater?:hey
31 or 750?

next question?

which is greater:hey

31,505usd or 750,000usd

Now, for once BLACK, be logical! The more you say things the more you look stupid defending that is was a right choice to choose 30K over 750k.

It's your choice Mr Mathematician :rofl ! Or you could simply redeem yourself and say, YEAH! It was a bad decision after all! But if you think it was a GREAT decision to make 31K instead of 750k! So be it! Can't agrue to somebody who does not have logic! :hey

Next time you are offered a job! 31k/yr vs 750k per year. THE WAY YOU THINK! It's quit obvious! :yep

You can play dumb, act dumb, pretend dumb or maybe you are really dumb? You always have a choice! Sorry for the choice of words but I can't think of finer words to describe yr SUPPORT that it was a good idea to earn 31k instead of 750k!:hi:
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You need to get educated friend.....

....for a little education, here a post that I will paste from another thread.

Read and educate yourself!:deal :yep

divac said:

This is where it goes wrong in this debate about whether Marquez wanted or did'nt want the Pac rematch right after......

.....those of you making an argument that Marquez did'nt want to fight pac, bring up the John fight.
The John fight! The John fight has nothing to do with Marquez truning down 750k......The John fight for Marquez actually took place a year after Morales had faced and beaten Pacquiao, what does one fight have to do with the other.
The JMM detractors point to Marquez chosing to fight John instead of Pac, he took 30k instead of 750k......that just is'nt the truth.
In fact, Morales had already beaten Pac in March of 2005 when JMM took on Victor Polo on the JL Castillo-Diego Corrales undercard.
Why dont people point to Marquez taking on Victory Polo for X amount of money and ducking Manny Pac????

The John fight came well after, in fact a year after Morales boxed the pants off of Manny Pac.

The John fight was a fight that JMM because I believe JMM had for political reason only the WBA knows, had stripped JMM of his WBA title.

The WBA ordered a JMM-John fight take place.
Arum did'nt want to promote that particular fight because it would have released JMM out of his contract with Arum because JMM was only obligated to Arum for only one fight.
When Arum refused to promote it, it went up for purse bids to the highest bidder.
The highest bidder turned out to be Chris Johns promoter, in fact he was the only bidder......
At that point, JMM could have either done two things.....go to Indonesia to fight for the title, or go home and wait until Bob Arum decided that he wanted Marquez on one of his cards in a non-title fight.

Team Marquez wanted out of Bob Arums claws as soon as possible.

Essentially the fight was taken by Marquez because it was the only way to have released himself from the claws of Bob Arum.
Since it was a WBA order for the fight to take place for the championship, my guess is that that order by the WBA would have released JMM from under Bob Arum whether Arum wanted to promote the fight or not.

If JMM does'nt take the John fight, God knows how much more time would have elapsed before Marquez could legally get a fight and at the same time rid himself from being under the promotion of Top Rank and Bob Arum.

I dont know the exact details of the whole situation, but I'm under the impression that team Marquez knew the risk of going to indonesia, but were willing to go through with it if it released JMM from Arum.....which it did.

In any regards, inexplicably the John and pac fights are mentioned in threads like these as if one fight has something to do with the other......and the facts are that one fight has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
The John fight was made well after Negotiations had broken down and the Erik Morales-Pac fight was made instead.
Well after that one fight has nothing to do with the other.

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divac, Nov 8, 2007

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UliUli said:

If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.
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Yup . . . a very rich chicken who's willing to fight the more dangerous bigger guys. :yep :good

Because of the Pac HATERS repeated desperate stupid insinuations . . . I'll be happy to call Pac a chicken . . . and see JMM retire without getting the big money fight from Pac.

Go Pac . . . go gor Diaz!

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psychopath, Nov 9, 2007

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psychopath said:

Yup . . . a very rich chicken who's willing to fight the more dangerous bigger guys. :yep :good

Because of the Pac HATERS repeated desperate stupid insinuations . . . I'll be happy to call Pac a chicken . . . and see JMM retire without getting the big money fight from Pac.

Go Pac . . . go gor Diaz!

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi:

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Only to get knocked back down to 130.

4Rounder, Nov 9, 2007

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UliUli said:

If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.
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LOL

There could have been a rematch for these two fighters if JMM's side only agreed on that purse bid. :huh

etong_08, Nov 9, 2007

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etong_08 said:

LOL

There could have been a rematch for these two fighters if JMM's side only agreed on that purse bid. :huh
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You obviously haven't read and learned anything from me and Divac have you. Please read his or my explanation as to why the fight was never made. It has NOTHING to do with JMM pricing himself out.

IsaL, Nov 9, 2007

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Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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Prime for prime morales beats jmm, I have no doubt about that.

morales was 1 good, solid well rounded, adaptable boxer in his prime & I dont even think jmm outboxes him never mind outfights him.

That box/fight versatility would take a clear ud over jmm IMO.

Bill Butcher, Nov 9, 2007

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