Joe Calzaghe calling out Roy Jones multiple times in 2000 and 2001

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  1. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are a kid and never watched prime jones, otherwise you would not be so moronic with your pick

    Though you think usyk and wlad are GOATs, so not too surprised with your lack of knowledge
     
  2. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    thats wards career no?
     
  3. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This post encapsulates what confuses me. RJJ was a phenom because he was so gifted. He had lightning speed, legitimate power, and stamina/volume with the best in class...a physical freak by all accounts.

    Then you learn that RJJ popped dirty during an era where no boxers were legitmately tested...and all those freakish physical advantages come under the microscope. There's a long history of boxing and there are only a select few people who have been able to move up several weight classes while retaining speed, power, and endurance because those things are often OPPOSING. Meaning gains in power often compromise speed/endurance and vice versa.

    So when RJJ failed PED tests Ive permanently written him off as a drug cheat. His boxing was never stellar and once his physical traits fell off his career sank like an anvil.

    Without PEDs, Calzaghe beats RJJ.
     
  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Late 90s, early 2000s Roy would have beat Joe all over the ring let's be serious here. Roy would be heavily favored and rightfully so.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Three threads currently on the go at the moment (two over in the Classic) regarding hypothetical match ups between walking PED factories/steroid cheats (or alleged when it comes to one of them even though they're unquestionably 100% guilty as sin of being a walking pharmacy super enhanced lab creation) vs clean athletes and ever so surprisingly barely anyone mentioned the fact that the lab creation walking pharmacies were super enhanced drug cheats

    Roy vs Calzaghe
    Usyk vs Holyfield
    Loma vs Mosley

    If Calzaghe, Usyk or Loma got caught having a sip of a mild cup of coffee the morning of the fight these exact same people would crucify them on a molten cross for it and their entire legacies would be dismissed as meaningless, let alone if they got caught taking steroids or worse a whole concoction of energy boosting, power and strength improving, prime prolonging, recovery aiding steroids and other PERFORMANCE ENHANCHING drugs to help them CHEAT to gain an UNFAIR advantage and bridge the gap to become multiple weight champions all of which they did.

    And you really have to question why that is?

    Not even a ''to be fair to Calzghe, Usyk and Loma, Roy, Holyfield and Mosley were PED cheats/super enhanced walking pharmacies'' type comments from them either.

    Are we living in a Twilight Zone sim here?

    Joe Calzaghe

    "I would hate to fight a cheat and I don't believe in cheating in any sport. I'm not calling him a cheat and I don't know what was taken or what happened," Calzaghe told The People. "I have to remember to take my vitamin C every morning and I believe in a fair fight."

    He says that even if his opponent, Jones or otherwise, took an illegal steroid, he would still beat them.

    "In athletics, a cheat gets disqualified, but in boxing if you get your ass kicked and then he's found to be a cheat, it doesn't matter because you can't reverse the decision and you've still had your ass kicked.

    ''In athletics drug cheats get banned automatically for two years, and if steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit for longer and this will enable them to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive. During our pre-fight medicals we get tested for drugs and it's never crossed my mind to take anything performance-enhancing. I don't have a big pot of pills that I dip into all hours of the day. In fact, I have a job just to remind myself to take vitamins.

    ''I would be angry if someone I fought took something that gave him an unfair advantage because this is a dangerous sport, it's not like running. In athletics it now seems almost part of the culture, just like cycling, and the who idea is to stay one step ahead of testing. I sat alongside Justin Gatlin, at the time the reigning Olympic 100m champion, on the BBC's Question of Sport about a year ago and spoke to him afterwards. We talked about the Jeff Lacy fight because he's from Florida as well and he seemed like a really nice guy and I was genuinely shocked and disappointed when he failed a drugs test last summer. Whenever I watch athletics or cycling now I have my suspicions. Some get caught and some don't but I like to think that fighters are clean. Boxing's a warrior sport and, to me, there have always been values that go along with that.

    ''It's cheating there's no other word for it.''
     
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    ‘Prime’ Glass Jaw Roy was put down and very hurt by Lou Del Valle who wasn’t a puncher at 175.
     
  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And yet Calzaghe said years before he wasn't ready for RJJ and wouldn't risk it unless he got paid the "crown jewels" his own words.

    Calzaghe also said he would never fight him after RJJ was past it as it would mean nothing but he still fought him anyway.

    Conflicting quotes don't you think ?

    RJJ moved up to Light Heavyweight in 1996 and Calzaghe wasn't even a Super Middleweight champion at this point.

    If Calzaghe wanted to force a fight with RJJ he should moved up to Light Heavyweight and had fights in America I love people that rewrite history.

    Calzaghe was a nobody for years defending the lowely regarded WBO belt in Wales against unremarkable opponents.

    How about Calzaghe pulling out of a fight against Glen Johnson 3 times ? Is that ducking aswell or does it only apply to certain boxers when they want to push their narrative ?
     
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  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Jones slipped clear as day, this is a widely known fact.
     
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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    This. This this.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Naivety. Majority of athletes in boxing take PEDs. You don't need data from corrupt organizations and teams to test the claim, everyone is clean in your eyes until they get caught
     
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  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Innocent until proven guilty, that is correct. If every boxer used PEDs then every boxer would fail drug tests, but that doesnt happen so your bull**** excuse for RJJ (or anyone) is just a bull**** excuse.

    RJJ dirty AF
     
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  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Almost every p4p fighter since the 1980s is. Roy Jones still managed to fight Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Hill, Ruiz, and Tarver. In his prime, with roids and despite sloppy technique, he was physically the greatest light-heavyweight ever. Although, other's such as Archie Moore have better records at that weight. Roy was more of a great weight climber. If Roy missed people, at least he wasn't as bad as Tyson or Floyd.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're so naive as to claim every boxer who uses peds will get caught? That's exactly what you're insinuating. Those who use PEDs can't mask the substance or the smoking gun chemicals ? These tactics have been exposed for decades April fool's was 12 days ago
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Was it one sided? Did you see round 1?
     
  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    You mean the illegal elbow Jones threw? After that it was all Calzaghe.