Joe Calzaghe does win, who does he pass up in the p4p list of fighters?

If anything I'd be classed as a Hatton hater. The argument we had before Hatton-Mayweather was about whether Hatton should be above Calzaghe P4P.

When judging this kind of thing I like to be analytical and ignore the fact that I favour some fighters over others. Hatton had had more title fights than Calzaghe, won titles in two weight divisions and beaten a P4P top 3 guy while Calzaghe hadn't beaten any top 10 guys. There simply wasn't a case for Calzaghe to be higher. I'll admit that since Hatton lost there is strong case.

You're obviously a devoted Calzaghe fan and it's only natural that you should be a bit biased. It's probably best that you try to forget that you prefer either guy and just look at the facts. This is the point I was making before. I was by no means promoting Hatton.

 

“In the 1960s and ’70s,” Calzaghe observes, “there wasn’t much money and there was only one title. You had to mix it up every few months and get busted up. Now it’s easier to be a world champion, but the belts don’t mean as much. This fight is for the money. After years of plugging away, I’m getting the rewards I deserve. But this fight is also about my legacy. People talk about pound-for-pound, but talking about who’s the best in the world pound-for-pound is fantasy. No one knows, really. A legacy is something else. A fighter secures his legacy by winning difficult fights against tough opponents, and that’s what I plan to do against Hopkins.”

 

I feel bad for Calzaghe. He should have thought about his legacy earlier. He's left it a bit late.

 

Hmm, being regarded generally as the best SMW ever, no legacy, I feel bad for him you know....

Should have thought about his legacy earlier, has a bad resume and no accomplishments, he's only the ****ing first Undisputed SMW in history, having cleared that division and now is about to secure an impressive win over a HOF fighter, albeit one who's certainly past his best and then likely fight a few more times against top LHW's.

No way in hell does Calzaghe have a chance at making the HOF! No legacy what so ever, he ought to have thought about it more when he was a high risk low reward fighter that couldn't get the best fights you know...

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Funny thing is that his win over Hopkins is going to be more meaningful than Hatton's over Tszyu's, Tszyu was inactive and past his best as well, Hopkins a bit more past his best but a better all time fighter in the same right, but you'd never think of that. The difference is that Cal will dominate and Hatton had to use excessive illegal tactics and STILL did not get a dominant victory over a guy he had a tremendous style advantage over.

 

This just goes to show how biased you are. Zoo was top 3 P4P at the time. Hopkins is 43 and fights once a year. Dominant victory? He forced Zoo to quit!

 

Tszyu was less active than Hopkins at the time and against lesser opponents than Tarver and even a 170 pound Wright, like I said, he was less past it than Hopkins, Hopkins is probably a lot more past it actually, but the fact remains that Hopkins is a greater all time fighter than Tszyu by a significant margin.

He forced Tszyu to quit but didn't dominate by any means like Calzaghe is going to and if you want to go by consensus Ring magazine style P4P rankings, Hopkins is right now in the top 4, even though I don't feel he belongs in the top 10 by any means.

You cannot possibly tell me that a dominative win over Hopkins cleanly is not better than a foul fest, contested fight otherwise until the corner retirement over Tszyu, if you think so, then you're the one who is biased, if that's not even apparant to everyone already.

Hell, Hatton even got dropped by a body shot that was wrongfully not counted and was allowed to get away with basically everything he wanted to do.

 

The winner passes all of them.

 

Currently I my list goes:

1) PBF
2) Pac
3) JC

If he completely dominates BHop and stops him then I may put him at #2 and Pac at #3 if BHop doesn't look completely shot. Then if Floyd continues being his regular old self and only rematches Oscar in 2008 it is highly possible that JC becomes #1 p4p on my list

 

#3

 

Joe Calzaghe is at #3 in a few P4P lists I have seen with Hopkins around 8-10 #3 seems about right before and after a win to me.

 

No, he will still be in the 3-5 range.

Beating Hopkins at this stage just doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

It all depends on how he looks. If it's a wide UD, #2 is acceptable. Anything closer than 116-112, and he'll probably stay put or drop a spot or two. If he manages to stop Hopkins, he could get up to #1.

 

I have him at 3 currently...right behind Pac and Floyd. Its all going to depend on how he wins (if he wins) on how much he climbs.

 

He doesn't have the depth of resume that Floyd does to take his spot. Floyd is coming off an impressive KO victory also over a well regarded opponent. Even if JC stops Hop (unlikely) he won't move to the number 1 spot. He needed to fight tougher guys then the likes of Bika and Manfredo in between Lacy and Kess to really make a case for himself. His inconsistency lets him down. I would have trouble putting him above Pac really, considering JMM p4p is better then anyone JC has fought.... Look at all of their recent fights overall, and Calzaghe's resume is the weakest.