Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Dirrell WHO WINS??

Workrate will kill Dirrell after 4 rounds or so.

EDIT: This will NOT result in a KO, because Joe doesn't do that... but it will result in Joe taking the rest of the rounds on activity.

 

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faster, stronger, smarter, more heart

 

60% of the Brit forum had Dirrell winning, what would they be biased about. If you never actually seen if ring side journalists saw Froch winning, stop parroting as if its fact. Thats how lies get started.


When has Dirrell closed up when being hit. He usually motors out of their or looks for a counter shot, the shot that dropped Abraham came about when Abraham was charging foward throwing punches.

You seem to make alot of arguments up as you go along that have no basis in fact. An old Bernard and Roy Jones caught Joey slap coming in, what makes you think that Dirrell wouldnt.

Slaps couldnt KO Reid or Lacy, how would he KO a fighter who is quicker, bigger and faster then those 2? Sorry, doesnt make sense. CAlzaghe is not a hard puncher at all.

The only thing Reid has acheived is winning a paper belt. He is not as good nor has ever beaten as good a fighter as Abraham. Saying REid has acheived more when compared to a guy who 1 fight ago was fighting his first 12 round fight is silly. Dirrell is still miles better.
[qupte]No Id say at SMW AA hits a bit harder than a prime Calzaghe[/quote]
Abraham has KO'd legit fighters. Who did Calzaghe Ko in his prime of note?

Of course, doesnt make Calzaghe a hard puncher however.


When did Froch catch Dirrell with any consistency? I hope we dont have to go ove rthis again. You think Calzaghe hits harder then dirrell? Based on what? Speed is about the same, Joey likes to slap. The thing that would carry slaps in this fight is his stamina, thats it. In terms of ability they are near even, with Dirrell being the bigger fighter with longer reach. Dirrell s youth would be the only thing stopping him from beating Calzaghe. If Dirrell improves my prediction would be the same as it is if Chad Dawson ever fought Calzaghe, Dawson wins by whooping.


Who has Ottke beaten who are as good as JErmain Taylor or Miranda? And please dont bring up Glen Johnson who was a journeymen back then losing 50% of his fights.[/quote]

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Hard to picture a notorious slapper like Calzaghe ruining any of those fighters. Sure, he had many KOs early in his career, but the level of competition in the UK (where he fought for most of his career) isn't good.

Calzaghe's biggest win is vs Hopkins. Now... honestly, the decision in itself can be argued. And Hopkins while an ATG, for some time now has been cherry peaking his fights, probably ever since those Taylor fights, where it became evident that Hopkins no longer has the workrate to outpoint world class boxers.

Calzaghe barely beat Hopkins, now... consider Dirrell or Ward who are better boxers than Taylor, who have better workrate than Taylor and with Dirrell having a lot more power, how would they stack against a Calzaghe who barely beat Hopkins.

Calzaghe is fast, he has fast handspeed, he is active but believe it or not, Dirrell is just as fast if not faster, has equal handspeed, just as active, better reflexes and on top of that, he doesn't slap, he punches.

Calzaghe was knocked down against both Jones and Hopkins. Now, he didn't look hurt in either occassion, but... if you are getting KDed by a guy who clearly has lost his power with age, like Hopkins, then question marks are raised about your chin.

Calzaghe would taste the canvas plenty of times. That in itself would reduce the chance of Calzaghe getting a decision. Couple that with Dirrell proving great activity in his last fight and it's very possible that Dirrell wins a decision.

 

Not knocking your points but just some possible counters. Remember Calzaghe was past his prime when fighting Lacy all that time ago, and didnt used to have the hand problems, so could punch harder and was also faster in his prime. But

1. Calzaghe did seem to ruin Lacy.
Why do you think the competition in the UK was poor when he beat Reid, Woodhall, Starie and Eubank but who didnt he fight in his own division from other countries that would fight him? He beat top American SMWs in Brewer, Sheika, Mitchell and Lacy. Hopkins wasnt interested to meet him and Jones also put in a high price, but consider Jones was fighting Ruiz at HW before Joe had Kod Mitchell, so how saleable would the fight have been at that time anyway?

2. Hopkins workrate was alright against world class boxers in his fight before against Wright and his fight after with Pavlik and Hopkins was the premier LHW Ring champ at the time, so who was Calzaghe meant to go after in a new division?

3. Prime Calzaghe was faster than the Calzaghe I feel you may be reffering to, and Dirrell isnt a massive KO puncher.

4. Calzaghe was past his best when fighting Jones and Hopkins also and when Calzaghe was knocked down lets not pretend he was out on his feet, he carried on fighting not holding on. Calzaghe took much harder shots in both those fights after the first round, consider the uppercut Jones landed on Calzaghe at the end of the 6th round for example, which he walked through. Joes always had a great chin and never had to hold on when he has gone down. What makes you sure Dirrell would put Calzaghe down plenty of times? Dirrell has been down himself from a journeyman and could of had a count against him against AA. I dont imagine Dirrell being able to match Calzaghe at all (but thats my opinion).
Remember Dirrell (however you score it) was beaten by Froch who is not as fast and mobile as Joe and the punch which wrongly caught Dirrell in his fight with AA didnt look the hardest in the world.
The only win of note Dirrell really has is against a former MW champ by DQ, which he was winning but finished out cold, and AA dosent fight at all like Calzaghe.

I guess we wont agree but from what ive seen of Dirrell I wouldnt pick him against the near 37 year old Calzaghe who beat Jones

 

Scrubs who never accomplished anything in the sport. I'd pick Andre Dirrell to beat every single one of them handily.

Oh and Eubanks was shot.

Joey Slaps never wanted to come out of the UK to fight in American. Warren himself said Joe was scared.

Chad Dawson

Based on what? Fightign scrubs? SD against Robin "I lost to Blanco" Reid?

Arthur Abraham is a better win then anyone on Joey's resume not named Kessler or Hopkins. Even against Kessler Abraham will probably go into the fight the favorite.

 

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Calzaghe wins he's the better fighter.:deal

 

dirrell would comfortably win the first couple of rounds but joe would sweep the last 4-5 rounds, it'd be close, i dont see a ko but there's a chance dirrell drops joe at some point early in the fight

 

And that's all there is to it.

I think Ward would be more competitive against Joe than Dirrell.

 

I agree. Ward is more crafty than Dirrell and more mentally tough.

 

I like Dirrell but I think Joe is on another level. Slappy Joe by UD.

 

If they fought today,i would have to give the nod to Calzaghe.He is just alittle smarter in the ring then Dirrell,and has better focus at the task at hand.

But give Dirrell alittle more time to season,and i would have to go with Dirrell to beat Joe.Right now Dirrell easily loses focus in the ring and needs more time to gain confidence and believe in his ability's.