Again, I appreciate the effort. Although, it's a bit of a joke that you've labelled me as being a hater, and especially as you've used all sorts of gymnastics to try to add value to his wins. He fought Eubank for the vacant WBO belt. His reign started after that. Here are the non world level guys who Joe fought in title defences: Sobot Gimenez Thornberry Starie McIntyre Jiminez Pudwill Mkrtchyan Saleem Ashira Manfredo I would also say that Mario Veit wasn't a legit world level fighter. He spent over 90% of his career at European level. The only top level wins he ever had, was against an end of career Brewer, who was really a fringe world level fighter, and an end of career Brahmer, who knocked him out in the rematch. Omar Sheika was also a fringe world level guy. Now even if I give you Veit and Sheika, the 11 on my list can't in any way be disputed. None of those guys were world level opponents. Not by any metric. So that’s 20 defences, where 11 of them definitely weren't world level fighters.