Joe Calzaghe vs. The Yanks

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by TFFP, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. TFFP

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    You tell me

    Does Kyle Pavlik pose any threat to Joe Calzaghe?
     
  2. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He took the shot and backed off to the other side of the ring, and was wobbly in doing so. Watch the fight again and come back to me on that one because I'm right - I re-watched the fight only a few days ago.

    Hatton doesn't have a jab like Joe no, but he has a far better offence, the handspeed isn't as good but Hattons footword certainly is better than Calzaghes and he does have the adaptability too. I'm not even a Hatton fan I think he's shamelessly ducked Witter for years but I won't disrespect a guy that could have sat on a **** title for years taking easy defences but didn't. Hatton has balls and that's why his fans love him, even though he lost he's still got a fighters heart. Joe doesn't.

    For once I agree though, Birmingham City are a horrible little pointless club.
     
  3. TFFP

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    Hatton is not an adaptable fighter. He fights one way, forward. Fairly predictably at that, as has been found out in recent times

    He can't counterpunch. He has no jab. He's definitely not as quick as Joe p4p. When Hatton wins a fight, he's brawled the bloke to death. He doesn't outclass people with his boxing skills. Joe can do both, as his skill set is more rounded

    I give him bodyshots and clinching
     
  4. Fighting Weight

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    I agree that Hatton can't fight going backwards but neither can Calzaghe, when going forwards doesn't work he reverts to side to side. Not many fighters can fight going backwards, to be fair.

    You think Joes skill set is more rounded but he's only proved it against crap competition, Hatton has fought great fighters, therein lies the difference.
     
  5. TFFP

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    This is where the English bias comes into play. Hatton has proven it against an old Kostya Tszyu and Castillo. Boxing age is not a number, it happens at different times for different people. You are happy to write off Hopkins as an old man and will give Calzaghe little credit, yet that's a supposedly great win for Ricky

    That was nothing like a prime Tszyu. He looked incredibly ring rusty, fought once in two years wasn't it? His power got him through against Mitchell. He looked nothing like the force he once was. Hatton also bent the rules to the extreme

    I don't think Castillo even merits comment

    They are the only 'great' fighters he's fought and beat (although Castillo isn't a great for me anyway)

    The actual best fighters he fought, without basing it on name recognition are Collazo and Mayweather. He struggled immensely against both. Joe has saved his best for the big fights, even though you dismiss his opponents wrongly
     
  6. Fighting Weight

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    OK now why don't you explain to me why the only 2 good fighters Joe has ever faced (Kessler and Lacy) are better than Tszyu, Castillo and Mayweather?

    I'm all ears again.....

    Oh and Tszyus power got him through against Mitchell? Did you even see that fight?

    Oh alright then Tszyu was shot to **** at 35 and Hopkins is prime at 43 :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Hopkins is also pretty inactive, if Joe wins I'll come back on here and say Hopkins was ring-rusty and lets see how you react to that. I suspect you'll come out with your usual back-slapping bull****.
     
  7. TFFP

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    He's also fought one of your English heroes I might add, Chris Eubank ;)

    Either Lacy or Kessler were better wins than Castillo. Take your pick. Jesus **** that guy got bullied around for 4 rounds, before being out on his arse. It was a farce. Compare that to the Castillo that took on Mayweather. Say what you want about Lacy, he went 12 rounds and took serious punishment, which is more than you can say for Castillo. Boxing is more than just names, that version of Castillo is not fit to fight

    You are right Mayweather was better than Kessler by a long way. But then again Ricky got trashed and Joe won, so what's your point?

    I don't care what you say about Hopkins. He's way better than the shot Castillo that you give Hatton credit for. It will go down as win number 45, so overall I won't give too much of a **** what people say
     
  8. Fighting Weight

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    Oh God you're still claiming superiority for the Eubank fight? Eubank was past his best and horribly weight-drained for that fight, he was actually starting a campaign at 190 before he was called in an emergency for that fight. Seriously, prime Eubank is a FAR better fighter than Calzaghe.

    Castillo=Eubank was my point, you seem to have totally missed it though.

    Yeah Lacy is 'great' because the 'great' Joe didn't KO him right? How many other fighters can we add to that list? Starie? Reid? Bika?
     
  9. Ziggy Montana

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    Quebec is not a state, it's a province, and - yes- Bute is from the province of Quebec (born Romanian)...
    Try "KELLY" Pavlik...

    Now why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance? :roll:
     
  10. TFFP

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    Eubank wasn't half as bad as that version of Castillo

    Your assertion that Hatton has beaten great fighters doesn't really hold up if you actually take 'great' in its true sense. He's beaten one that was shot to ****. I give him credit for Tszyu though, but you'll never convince me he was at his best. The fact neither has fought since says something

    Wlad should call out Ali, after all he's a name, who cares if he's shot to ****

    Lacy isn't great by any means. He's a ****ing world beater compared to that version of Castillo mind

    This is silly, I can't believe I'm actually arguing whether Joe is a better fighter than Ricky Hatton :patsch

    I put it down to fatigue, bed awaits
     
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    That jewish kid in South Park
     
  12. TFFP

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    Sorry fellas, I'll never get Kyle Pavlik's name wrong again

    No offence intended

    (Who is he - in all seriousness?)
     
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    You obviously know who he is. Your ploy is pretty transparent.
     
  14. NMUBURNER22

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    Kyle Pavlik.........hahahahahaha


    this post made me laugh myass off.....Pavlik is overrated as hell anyway.
     
  15. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe seems in a rush to retire after Hopkins. If he beats Hopkins convincingly and Jones, Pavlik, and Dawson keep winning then those are all great fights for Calzaghe. Why retire if he still has the ability and there are good fights left?