Joe Cortez : I allowed Marquez to continue...

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  1. DINAMITA

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    What's worse, a ******* or a Biasedbarreraballlicker? :D
     
  2. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    That statement doesn't make sense brother.

    Yeah he allowed JMM to continuie because the 3 KD rules is not in effect . . . and JMM was not really hurt. He was depending himself and throwing punches . . . in short that's the right decission in that moment. At that instant . . . he doesn't have time to consider what's the nationality of the downed fighter . . . so if Joe Cortez was saying that to prove he is a friend of mexicans fighters . . . he ****ED himself up.
     
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    you look ****ing gay in that avy barrera ball licker!:lol:
     
  4. huggerfree

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    Ungrateful Marquez, pac was sure grateful to padilla though LMAo
     
  5. Soriano

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    "If I were the enemy of Mexican fighters
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    I allowed him to continue and he put up the fight of his life.” -- Joe Cortez

    -- This statement of Cortez could also mean, "Because I am a friend of the Mexican people and have Mexican relatives, I have given Marquez the chance to keep fighting when he was knocked down three times in the first round against Manny Pacquiao." He did mention anything that Marquez was still fit to fight in that statement. In hindsight, Marquez was able to continue fighting because he was saved by the bell. He was just plain lucky to survive that round.

    Nallege, my being a fan of Pac has nothing to do with this thread. So, I suggest you better stick to the discussion of the issues.
     
  6. Soriano

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    You're correct that the 3 KD rule is not in effect. I am fully aware of that. But why oh why (I've been asking this question for the umpteenth time), why did he mention in that article that he allowed Marquez to continue if it was legit that Marquez can continue. I see no need for him to mention it in that article. He has no point at all.
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    My point that I am discussing here is in relation to that article, not on the actual fight itself. I've been telling everyone here that I agree w/ Cortez decision in that fight that he allowed Marquez to continue. But why should Cortez mention that round 1 episode when in his judgment is the right thing to do? Is he telling us now that he could have stopped the fight but did not?

    This is all water under the bridge. It was declared draw by the judges but had one of the judges rectified his error, it could have been a SD.
     
  7. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And if you read it backwards, do you find out who killed JFK?

    Cortez is simply so crappy as a referee that he has to make excuses when he does something right. What's the big Scooby-Doo mystery here?
     
  8. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cortez is politically correct if he said this: I don't give a damn if anyone or any race is my friend or enemy. I only do what I am supposed to do as a neutral referee.
     
  9. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so is answered cortez a politically correct, it would not have vindicated pac of a win?

    i think you're jumping from issue to issue here bro.
    in your first post, you clearly said that cortez' admittance vindicated pac of a win, which was, as you contested by a lot of us here.

    i seriously do not care about cortez so you can flame him all day long but would you please admit that nothing cortez has ever said or will ever say vindicate pac?

    admit it and we'll put this issue to rest.
     
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Actually, he's saying if he were an enemy he would of stopped it, but hes not bias so he let the fight go on, rightfully so.

    If he was friendly toward mexican fighters he would of penalized pac for hitting marquez while he was trying hold himself up on the ropes. (Would of been cheap but you get my point)
     
  11. bachatu

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    Cortez never stated that he let him continue while feeling he felt he should have stopped the fight. There was no three knock down rule, so there is nothing stating that the ref has to stop the fight after three knock downs. In this case, the referee's job is to let the fighter continue if he feels the fighter is fit to continue. Obviously, Joe Cortez felt Marquez responded appropriately and was able to continue without putting his health at risk. How could Cortez have possible known that Marquez would come back to draw even after those three knockdowns? What evidence was there that would have given him that impression to let his "buddy" continue?
    Do you believe Cortez felt Marquez was able to continue? If you don't, and if you say Cortez insinuated that he is friends with Mexicans and that is the main reason why he let him continue, then what friend would let his buddy continue fighting if his friend's health was at risk? It doesn't make any sense, and your allegations don't make any sense, because they are fabricated.
     
  12. Soriano

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    Let's focus on the article, and not on the actual fight.

    On the actual fight, I agree with in all aspects like no 3 KD rule, Cortez is right on his decision for Marquez to continue, etc.

    On the article, why should he state the obvious which is perceived by many as the right thing to do? What's the point? To convice the Mexican boxers, that they are not his enemy, he allow Marquez to continue? Does he have other option other than continuing the fight? Why state something which is the right thing as if the Mexican boxers or Marquez should be grateful of?
    Let's direct our questions to Cortez, not me. I've given you my personal position on that 3 KD, but Cortez has enmeshed himself in deep **** by uttering this statement which showed his bias for a certain race.
     
  13. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Cortez is inconsistent and injects himself into fights too much.

    He's had a great career - But in general refereeing in our sport sucks and is just choked out from being effective with too much politics and BS back door schmoozing allowing referees to be apointed on their personal standing with various orgainisations rather than being subject to performance review and accountability.
     
  14. carias

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    Why would you post an article and then ask people not to direct questions towards you? Mad cowardice.

    Saying you aren't an an enemy of someone doesn't mean you are their friend either.

    Of course he had the option to stop the fight and made a judgment call. It seems to me you're getting on his case for admitting that he made a judgment call. He could've seen the last knockdown as the final straw and stopped it, but being in the ring he saw that he wasn't hurt and made the decision to let him continue. What he is saying is that if he was an enemy of mexican fighters he would've used the 3rd knockdown as a pretext to stop the fight, but didn't. Very simple. Your making a big deal about nothing.
     
  15. Soriano

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    Simply because I cannot answer for Cortez. :deal