I can't really see why Patterson would be more difficult than Ellis. Sure, Patterson was faster, but Ellis was bigger and had better chin. And Patterson's quick combinations and hooks wouldn't be that effective against a constantly in-coming Frazier. Ellis relied on straight punches and tried to stay on the outside, but still Frazier ate him up. Patterson, though very quick, wasn't really a renowned mover and a sticker, how would he keep Frazier at bay? And if he decides to hook with him it will be over very quickly.
Floyd can be as mean as he wants but it still won't make a difference. Joe in 4 or 5. Joe won't have to look far to find Floyd and he will wear him out fast and finish him. Wrong type of fighter for Patterson.
BIG DEE HERE= Patterson took a very good Bonavena to school in 1972 over 10 rds to a UD. Floyd took Bonavena`s best shots and fired right back. Floyd hurt oscar several times in the fight something that Ali could do untill Bonavena was so exhuasted that he could bearly stand up in the 15th rd. Floyd was a mover and a sticker when he wanted to as he was in the Bonavena fight. I believe Floyds fast hands would cause Frazier a lot of problems early in the fight. Floyd also wpuld give Joe a boxing lesson for as long as the fight lasted but if Patterson makes a mistake it could end dramatically. Whoever said that Frazier wore guys down with an accmulation of shots must be a young guy who wasn`t around at the time because Frazier generally took his opponents out with one or two cleans punches. Like he did with Jimmy Ellis and by the way Frazier did not run over Jerry quarry in their 1969 title fight as it was anybodies fight untill Quarry got the huge cut under his eye and he couldn`t see Frazier`s left hook coming to slip it. Untill then Frazier took as much as he gave Quarry. Jerry said afterwards that Frazier was very hard to hit cleanly to the chin as he never stopped moving to him there with a clean shot.
Frazier would blow Patterson away...this match would be over within four rounds. Floyd simply didn't have the durability to withstand Frazier's bombs. Joe would have been all over Patterson like a bulldog from the opening bell.
Funny statement. Well, for one, Floyd Patterson was a legitimate Heavyweight Champion of the World, beating some real names in convincing fashion, while Ellis was only a contender (and titleholder) who fought some good names. Furthermore, remember Patterson-Ellis? Patterson won that fight, but the judges turned in ridiculous scores, and Ellis wound up winning one of the most contested decisions of the seventies. Patterson was MUCH better than Ellis- faster, more powerful, better endurance, technique... better. And he proved that head-to-head. How would Patterson "keep Frazier at bay"? It would be difficult but with Patterson's speed and power, at his very best (the night he knocked out Champion Ingamaer Johanson, for example), it could and in my opinion would be done. Patterson's peek-a-boo defense and head movement would deflect Frazier's attempts at jabbing and hooking (mostly a left-handed pressure puncher). Patterson would land in combination, move, reset, and do it again. The reason this fight IMO would be so difficult is that Frazier was one of the best conditioned Heavyweights of the seventies. If he didn't land early, he would continuing trying ALL FIFTEEN ROUNDS. But at Patterson's very best, he had wicked power for his size (around 200 lbs. was his best weight). Patterson would essentially box going forward at Frazier for most of the night, probably go down at some point (Patterson was put down more than any other champ- but he got up every time), get up, and tough out the decision victory. Floyd's being terribly underated by younger board members here, primarily because they probably don't have access to Patterson footage. I'd suggest typing his name in at Youtube, and following up with some heavy ESPN Classic research. His great victories were over Tommy Jackson (twice), Johannson (twice), Archie Moore, Jimmy Ellis (L12!), Oscar Bonavena, Tom McNeeley (I mention McNeeley because he was the father of Peter... funny farce nonetheless), and more. Patterson's losses include his destruction at the hands of Liston (a fight Cus D'Amato warned Patterson about because Liston was peaking out as a ferocious, BIG puncher), his loss to Joey Maxim (debatable eight round decision) and two stoppages at the hands of Ali (the first a mismatch that was prolonged by Ali in a cruel showing of dominance, considering Patterson was suffering from back spasms; the rematch was more competitive, but Patterson was too busted up to continue). Floyd Patterson W15 Joe Frazier
I can't see Frazier posting a clean KO in this one, and I don't necessarily think it will end as speedily as perceived by others here. I think it could go a few rounds; Joe Frazier took a few rounds to 'smoke'-- expeditious power puncher he was not. For the opening 25 minutes it would go back and forth with Floyd scoring combinations and Frazier ending exchanges with truly hurtful punches. If it is for a championship I don't think Patterson lasts the distance; chances are, he doesn't survive Joe Frazier. If it's over twelve or ten, I think it will be closer, but multiple knockdowns swing it Frazier's way.
I honsetly feel this would be one-way traffic for the most part. Frazier by TKO in the middle rounds.
About as close as your gonna get to how it would turn out, i think 8-9 round Frazier takes out Patterson depending on Floyds negating movement and how he deals with Joe. But i definately think its Floyd having to deal with Joe not the other way round, Floyds hand speed and angles will cause Joe problems early but they will be ironed and 'smoked' out mid rounds.....
I'd lean towards Frazier, but this would be a great competitive fight. It might go the full 15 rounds, and every round would be a treat for boxing fans. This could be a very close fight.
I think you're confusing things. I'm not disputing that Floyd was better than Ellis, I just think that he style-wise would be an even worse proposition than Ellis was. I don't think his peek-a-boo style would do much good, because it's not that effective for infighting. If he used the peek-a-boo to protect his head, Frazier - one of the most adept bodysnatchers the division's ever seen - would destroy his body. There was two ways to win over Frazier. Either keep him on the outside and box, something which was almost impossible to do with Frazier's constant pressure. Or to dominate him with superior power and strength, which was very far from easy as well. Floyd could do neither, and that's why I can't see him winning this. He might well win the first rounds, even score a flash KD, but Frazier would wear him down and eventually take him out.
There were no judges for the Ellis Patterson fight the sole official was the referee Harold Valan.Ellis beat Quarry who drew with and beat Floyd,As to Floyd's peeka boo defence ,if it was so good how come he kept going down? Frazier takes this fight by mid rds ko ,imo.
Floyd would give a great effort for as long as it lasted but Joe would just have too much "smoke". And, as we all know, you never have to go looking for Patterson, he's virtually always on the attack (if he's not going into that oft ''passive-Patterson" mode). That was his strength AND his weakness. He had good enough power to back up and keep virtually every opponent off him but the big punchers with decent or better chins will always give him trouble. Bad fight for my Floyd...TKO 5-7 rounds. Note: it would be nice to see Floyd bring out his right hand in this fight (he put Cooper to sleep with it) which Joe was often nailed with in counter. Eventually tho...too much Joe