Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

mcvey, At no point does it say he was 165lbs ,simply because he wasn't ,he was 185lbs and was described as being "perhaps 20lbs the lighter man",that would have made Johnson 185lbs which of course he wasn't!

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It doesn't matter, there are blinkered idiots in all walks of life,and spheres of interest.

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It's a fact that as Champion Johnson signed to fight Langford and McVey in Australia and twice to fight Jeannette in New York all 3 times the promotions were cancelled through no fault of Johnson.

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Johnson's haters will say there were plenty of big offers for him to defend his title against them elsewhere,but when you ask for proof of these offers they do not reply!"

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Johnson was getting $30,000 for toying with Jim Flynn why should he risk his title for,peanuts against either of the three black challengers ?

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It's like saying to Anthony Joshua we will give you £10,000,000 to fight Razvan Cojanu or £500,000 to fight Wilder ,Ortiz ,or Parker.Tough choice to make !lol

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This half wit says he 's a boxing manager, given his mindset, I fear for his charges

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mcvey,That's his only basis for making such a stupid claim and ,because it fits nicely into his agenda ,he laps it up like a cat does cream!
I have both of Pollack's Johnson books ,in fact I got an acknowledgement in the first volume .They really are excellently written, diligently researched biographies.
In neither does he say, or suggest that Jeannette was 165lbs for that fight.

Jeez, then what you are saying is that Pollack, missed that Johnson was bigger and stronger which many contemporaries have all the one's I have read. Also missed was contemporary reports saying Jennette as a being smaller, and a MW to LHW(anything over 160 was a LHW). I seriously doubt that Pollack didnt include that info.

We have a dingbat arguing about the contents of a book he hasn't even read! WTF does that say about his objectivity?
Before I was a half wit and now I am a dingbat, please stop my sides hurt from laughing especially since I have said all along you leave out relevant info.

Where I come from if you make a statement and get called on it the onus is on you to produce the proof not the person who says you are wrong and has already shown his proof

Oh please the onus, haha Up your onus haha, your comments are providing comic relief.

 

Like I said, nothing. Jeanette was a mw and still going through puberty at 28.

 

mcvey, I would rather not debate directly with a biased fool.

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1.Read The Book.

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2. Produce a primary source that says Jeannette was 165lbs.
That is all that is required for you to gain some credibility which at the moment you do not possess.

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klompton2, Like I said, nothing. Jeanette was a mw and still going through puberty at 28.

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mcvey, We have numerous reports in Pollack's books commenting on the Jeannette fights in none of them do they say or imply Jeannette was 165lbs,We both know the provenance of this, it came directly from Jeannette who lying with a straight face told a reporter he scaled 165lbs when he last fought Johnson, he also dhe had nearly 400 fights.IT IS UTTER BOLLOCKS!

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mcvey, It's a challenge you continually duck ,if you are confident in your statement that Jeannette weighed 165lbs for that fight produce the proof to back it up.

read my last post, definitive proof and written by a famous writer, he mentions the number you fear to hear, 165.

I showed he didn't .Now let's have your primary sourced evidence to prove me wrong ?
Proven, you have to say Edgren was an authority on that era.

I've never said or implied that Jeannette wasn't the smaller guy in his fights with Johnson and for that very reason you wont find ONE SINGLE POST OF MINE out of nearly 71,000 saying so!

Umm! Then what are you arguing? Duh, you would have been very foolish to have done so. You are arguing about a guy who had all the advantages beating a 1-3 guy.
We are arguing cos of the name Jennette, and cos you argue these meaninglyless arguments you give credence that Jennette was a darn good fighter

Just as you wont find ONE SINGLEPOST OF MINE,saying that Jeannette was prime when he fought Johnson.
You have argued until you are blue in the face about a point of view that I have:
1.Never held

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2.Never promoted.

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3.Never implied.

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You are one stupid ,stupid ,man.Boxing Manager?

Why are you so girlie in your responses, almost bit chie, what does my being a manager have to do with anything?

I wouldn't trust you to manage a dog fight

Oh, yeah, oh yeah why, I wouldnt manage a dog fight, it's cruel haha

 

mickey, please explain in your own unique colorful way with words like numskull, dimwit, halfwit included, Johnson weighs 185pds when Johnson fights Langford a month and a half after the jennette fight. Very strange how he could be weighing so much in the Jennette fight and so little a month a half later hmmmmm!

 

Sorry dumbass but when Floyd was 28 he weighed 147, same as his last fight. When Chavez was 28 he weighed 143, he weighed 146 in his last fight, 143 in the fight before that. Unless you get fat or take steroids you arent adding 20 pounds of muscle in late 20s early 30s. Jeanette never got fat, even past his prime, and weight lifting to build muscle was taboo in that era so dont pretend he suddenly beefed up. The bottom line is you are wrong and have no sources to back up your stupid ass contention anyway, as usual.

 

Unless im mistaken there is no first hand information on what Johnson weighed against Langford because no weights were taken, everything reported was estimated and totally unofficial, someone can correct me on that if Im wrong but that is what I remember.