Joe Joyce vs 70s George Foreman

Had a good laugh reading all the way back, so many clueless people on this forum, carry on embarrass yourselfs.

 

George Foreman by homicide.

 

All the time. Ppl are prisoners of the moment here.

 

The guys talking **** now never missed picking the next ATG, obviously. They have retired betting fights, I'm sure...

 

Some of the simple idiots in here…

 

this place is full of knuckleheads, who dont know theyre knuckleheads.
i had seen 1 zhang fight, in which he lost, and i picked him to beat joe. i could have been wrong, cause zhang aint no foreman either, but joes limitations are obvious to anyone who understands boxing. now, many of the posters limitations are obvious to anyone who understands boxing. some very good takes in there too. a few guys sounded like they really knew their boxing. sadly, they seem to have been banned.

 

Chisora would have been a near-unbeatable champion in the Joe Louis era because all sports move on, regardless of what many (usually aging) boxing fans like to believe.

Joyce is further past his physical and certainly mental prime than the absurdly tenacious and experienced Chisora because of the amount of punishment he's taken in sparring, as well as the two ego-destroying annihilations by Zhang.

Ali wouldn't have stopped the Foreman Holyfield fought and Wlad may have stopped a 35 year old Mercer faster than he did the 41 year old version because the younger version would have been more aggressive and thus taken more crushing left hooks in a shorter period of time. Most boxing fans have a crude understanding of "prime" which makes them overestimate the significance of some victories/defeats and underestimate others.

Many fans still overrate these 70's American hype heroes, who were effectively competing in a protected local league (much like "American football" is today). By 1999 the top 10 at HW was majority non-American according to Ring. Maybe the year 1999 was a terrible one for heavyweight boxing, far inferior to the "golden years" of the 70's and 80's but I suspect the opposite was true if anything. These Americanist narratives have greatly weakened over time (just the other day America's next great hope was destroyed by a decent contender), we're 25 years removed from their domination and they've been badly demoralised since the Klitschko era. You can keep pretending that "ATG" Frazier beats Zhang if you like but fewer are making the case these days and very few intelligent boxing fans believe it deep down.

 

P4P dumbest post in one of the dumbest threads to ever grace this board.

 

At least you're aware that you needed to go all the way back to Joe Louis for Chisora to be a footnote

 

STILL

 

Foreman was much better than Chisora and put more into his shots than Joyce does.

 

Past prime Joyce.