Joe Louis Rebuffs Jack Johnson.

Yeah that's me then ,I was married to a Jewish woman for 25years ,[we were both members of the ANC until Mandela passed,] spend Xmas Day with my best friend and his Indian Ismali wife,and drink with my mate Charlie, a black guy from Montserrat on a Saturday.
All the hate I see here comes from you!

 

Ali publicly advocated race and religious murder. He wanted Black men and women killed who "messed with" Whites and/or non Muslims. He also wanted anyone murdered who knew about it and did nothing about it.

He wasn't a kid when he made these statements. He was a 34 year old adult. He had over a decade to consider this.

You were aware of this. I have posted this before and you have commented on the post.

You made the following statement in this thread:

I'll let you and whomever is reading this sort it out.

I have read many of your posts and I believe you are a good man. I know you are very knowledgeable.
I don't understand the apparent contradiction of why you admire Ali as a man when he advocated the things he advocated.
Actually, I don't understand why anyone would- not just you.

 

The ANC?

I had to look that up. It stands for:

African nationalism,
Left-wing nationalism,
Social democracy
Democratic socialism

While I admire Mandela, extreme nationalism and socialism are not qualites to brag about.

Now for some examples of the ANC group!

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>>>The ANC sounds like bunch of a swell people.

 

Jack Johnson was before Wesley Snipes, you must understand.

Louis tried to hard to please whitey

ALi tried to hard to segregate and have everyone killed as mentioned above by his KKK endorsement.

Johnson grew up in a multi-cultured ghetto and would whip some pride into Louis and some humbleness into Ali if he ever met them in the ring.

 

Johnson made it tough on himself, you fool. He had trouble anywhere he went.

Johnson wasn't even in the USA in 1918, you fool. He might have been trying to strike some sort of deal. Not buying it! W W I was over in 1918!

Yes the times were tough back then, most of the population who made it tough was from the UK, and rather racists. Just attend some of your futbol games and you'll see.

How much more punishment do you want to take on this topic? Stop trying to lie or re-write history.

 

I can't say I am a Jack Johnson fan-never was-but he as a man did go up in my estimation when I read "The last great Prizefight."
He was certainly a one-of-a-kind, more *****y than Ali and at least as arrogant.
Personally I have nothing against him. Those times were very different back then.
As a person I prefer Louis, but then again most folk prefer the quiet guy to the braggart.

 

I believe he is a good man for the things that he did for other people.Paying to keep an old people's home open in Germany is just one that comes to mind.Reimbursing Teddy Waltham the then referee for one of his fights after he had his pocket picked. Paying Kid Gavilan a wage for a non existant job, things like that. Louis did some wonderful things for people too.
Johnson a self-centered man paid for Sam McVey's funeral, most people have a certain amount of good in them I find.

 

If you could read properly ,you would have noted that I said I was a member until Mandela passed.But, as you have the reading comprehension of a re****ed chimp ,it obviously passed over your bigoted head.

 

Johnson refused to play the Uncle Tom or walk the c **n walk,I guess he would have been alright with you if he had kept his "place", and not made waves,like Langford and Jeannette.

You can probably just about tolerate a"good n*gger",as long as he gives you the," yassuh boss " ,bit.
It's a matter of public record that Johnson volunteered his services to the US government.

Johnson gave exhibitions for the war effort and war bonds during ww2.
Supporting a government that imprisoned him for sleeping with white women!


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You really are a dumb f*ck!

Do you actually think anyone gives any credence to what you think on the subject of Jack Johnson?atsch
For your information ,the US entered the war in April 1917! You should quit this topic because you seriously don't have af*cking clue what the f*ck you are talking about.You can't even spell the word racist!

You want to talk about racism in my country?
No Blackmen have been lynched here!
No Blacks had to travel at the back of the bus.
No separate drinking fountains.
No separate swimming pools.
No banns on black entertainers having their own tv shows .
No banns on blacks using hotels.
Get the f*ck away from me, you " Southern Gentleman".



You're a racist MORON with the intellect of a ret*rded chimp.

 

It's a well known fact that Ali went through a militant phase. Something he grew into then out of. No doubt in reaction to the racism he and other black people were subjected to.

Ali would be among the first in latter years to admit that he went over the top about this sort of thing on occasion back in the day. My own belief is that deep down he was n't racist but felt obliged to come out with this stuff. Being in the NOI was like that in their militant set up of the times. I'm not saying this because I'm an Ali fan. I actually feel it's true.

Many other fighters before and since have come out with things just as distasteful but it's not talked about so much,is it ?

 

I have never seen any indication, at all, that Ali ever recanted or repented of encouraging murder. Never once.

I think we need to keep in mind, that Ali made these statements (calling for murder) in one of the most widely circulated magazines in the world- Playboy.

Ali was a very influential figure at the time, particularly among younger Blacks.
How many of them took him at his word and acted accordingly. We'll never know, but you can bet that some did.
This was much more than a youthful indiscretion. He was 34 at the time.

 

Sometimes extreme actions bring out extreme responses. You, most likely never being a victim of the former, wouldn't understand.

Ali did more for this world with his pinky toenail, than you and the next 10 generations of your family every will combined. So please, if you see anything in Ali, make sure it's that.

I will keep making boxing videos. The likes of which some of the greatest boxers alive enjoy. The likes of which SRL showed to 100,000 of his fans.

You are toxic. The type of person to enter a Rock and Roll club, and tell everyone how bad every single musician is.

You're the worst kind of person, and you're toxic to boxing.

 

And yet, there is a reason he was still the move beloved, and admired individual on the planet. And that's because people reading that at the time had context. It was an extreme reaction to extreme circumstances.

Obviously in a PC 2016, it looks ridiculous. And it is. But to use that one interview segment to judge his life, and ignore all the hearts he touched, all the charity he's given, all the humanitarian efforts he's accomplished, is not a balanced outlook. Comparing him to hitler? Really?

 

I was an adult at the time and I can tell you there were no "extreme circumstances" that justified that type of criminality.
There was simply no excuse for it.

If I ever went public over a world wide medium calling for the summary executions of thousands if not millions of people who did not please me, that would be plenty to judge me on. The same is true of anyone else.

I'm not comparing him to Hitler, I am comparing the people who claim to be fans of Ali "the man" to the otherwise decent Germans who embraced Hitler despite his rantings about the Jews.
It's exactly the same mentalities at play.

 

I'm going to leave this where it is.