Joe Louis vs Evander Holyfield:

i looked at some louis' fights baer/ marciano/godoy/schmelling he was definatly impressive and had heart and power but i still am sold on holyfield.louis definatly also had great speed.like i said before louis didnt have a paper chin but was dropped often but getting up and fighting back.the shots that he went down with were single power shots.evander on the other hand is not gonna let you drop peacefully,you get hit hard on the way down with several crippling shots therfore making louis think after hes knockdown for the third time .ok im changing my outcome holyfield wins by tko due to 3 knockdown rule. if its in effect.so that could be anytime within 8rds.its like comparing apples to oranges.one makes a great apple pie the other doesnt.

 

He was a better headbutter.

 

It is worth noting that all the guys who put Louis on his but were solid punchers.

It should also be noted that he was only ever counted out after a sustained beating.

In order to win this by knockout Holyfield would have to outfight Louis in the same way he outfought Tyson, and Louis is not going to bite his ear.

To throw another variable into the pot I would give the cruiserweight version of Holyfield more chance against Louis than the heavyweight version.

 

Talk about a tough one to call! I think however that Holyfield has a good chance in this matchup. I mean if Tony Galento could drop and hurt Louis, a short, fat, short armed,slow as molasses,unskilled brawler that he was, then I'm pretty sure that a supremely conditioned ,fast, hard punching highly skilled boxer like Holyfield could do it too. And Holy would not let Joe off the hook if he got up either. Drop Evander back in the 40's and 50's and he'd have a cakewalk. Send Louis into the 80's and 90's and it would'nt be as easy. Joe would still do very well but he would'nt be champ for 12 years. Not with the likes of Tyson,Bowe,Mercer,Lewis etc.. The level of competition is just better. Can't blame Joe for that. He'd be one hell of a fighter in any era but I think Evander has what it takes to beat Joe...That is if he does'nt get careless..or stupid...or both.

 

Always the same...

"If that happened, what would..."


If Holyfield struggled with a 5´7 small CW like Qawi, can you immagine what Louis would do?

 

Perhaps in Physique? I have Louis in my top 4 Heavys ,but feel that Evander would give him problems,due to his strength and heart,Id go with the Bomber by dec,but no walkover.

 

Galento hit harder than Holyfield by two orders of magnitude.

 

I understand your point Luigi, but keep in mind that Holyfield was a cruiserweight himself at the time he fought Qawi, and also had maybe just a few pro fights at the time. Plus, Qawi was a great fighter, and Holyfield wasn't floored by him.

Not critcizing here, just pointin out a few details.

 

You´re totally right, mr. magoo. My point was just, that some people here can´t always come with their "logical" arguments like "If fighter A KD fighter B, can you immagine what a great puncher like fighter C would do?" We had this case very often, and you know, there are one million examples, Ali was KD against Cooper, we can´t last the distance against punchers like Liston, Frazier, Foreman, etc., Douglas was TKO´d by White, can you immagine what Tyson would do with him..., etc.


Sure, Qawi was a great CW, that´s out of question. But with Galento, we all should know that he was a contender and beat some good opponents, sure, he was fat and always not in top shape, but he was a dangerous puncher...

 

Not really,

Galento hit hard when he had the oppertunity to lunge in and land a big shot putting all of his weight behind it. Holyfield hit hard with both hands, no matter what his positon was, and managed to hurt fighters who were much bigger and better trained than the fighters that Galento hurt.

Think about this Janitor, not long ago, I posted a thread on Galento's training regimens. Do you really think that a club fighter of Tony's calibur really possesed more strength and power than that of Holyfield's? Tony never Ko'd the likes of a former world champion like Michael Dokes, who was well trained and had the size and strength of a well trained contender. The best fighter that Galento ever beat was Lou Nova, whom he beat by thumbing him in the eye. I have a lot of respect for Louis and his opposition, but Galento was one of the worst opponents that he faced, and who's power and abilities were well overrated.

 

Fair enough

 

I think Janitor meant, that Galento had a harder one-punch, which is IMO true. That Holyfield is in general a better puncher, is IMO out of question...

 

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