Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey Bare knuckle 20 rounds.

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  1. SuzieQ49

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  5. mcvey

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    Fulton? 23seconds.
     
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    The underlined sentences illustrate that you have no solid basis to make this claim.

    As to your opening sentence, we could very well say the same about Marciano beating big classy young heavyweights could we not?:think
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    Did any big classy young heavyweights establish himself as the outstanding heavyweight contender in marcianos era for 7 straight years the way wills did?

    wills is typically ranked as a top 20 heavyweight of all time. Which heavyweight from marcianos era is ranked top 20 all time whom he missed out on fighting?
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    Wills resume alone shows he was a class above Dempsey victims
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Louis punches get their first and his straighter punches are better suited to bare fist fighting than Dempsey's wild swings. Odds are Dempsey breaks his fists pretty early with his punching style.

    You can keep peddling that but any fighter who's properly concussed won't keep getting up or at least their corner won't let them.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Fulton a very good boxer? :I disagree. he was a skinny beanpole who's lucky there is no surviving film because in my opinion it would portray him as an uncoordinated marginally skilled big men with a glass jaw

    Firpo and Willards skills are awful. I doubt fultons is much better

    Louis charles walcott moore forgot more about boxing skills than Fulton ever knew.

    Wills destroyed Fulton by the way. Broke 3 of his ribs..proved Fulton wasn't even close to his level.


    I'll take one punch knockouts over walcott and Layne over a one punch knockout over Fulton
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    A 37 year old 213lb joe Louis would jab his way to a decision over 208lb Fred Fulton in my opinion.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Wills wasn't a young heavyweight during Dempsey's reign he was 30 years old the year Dempsey won the title . My point stands.And Wills will not be found in many top 20's.
    Neither was he the outstanding contender for 7 straight years as you state

    .Indeed for 2 of those years he was criticized for fighting weak opposition.
    In1920 Wills had 8 fights, 4 of them were either fakes or the opponent was so bad both of them were barred from boxing in that state again or purses were withheld. His best wins were over a34 years old light heavy Jeff Clark,Fred Fulton whom Dempsey had taken out in23 seconds and a 37 years old half blind SamLangford.

    1921 Wills Beat Dempsey's sparring partner Bill Tate, and a washed up Gunboat Smith who said he only took the fight for the boat ride.Wills defended his Coloured title against 40 years old Denver Ed Martin
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    1922 Wills fouled out to Tate beat Clark, now 36 year s old, beat a 39 years old Langford,and an undersized KIng Tut after which fight there was an inquiry into Tut's credentials. Wills beat 39 years old Kid Norfolk

    1923 Wills had 2 fights beating journeyman Homer Smith 29-11-0 and an old playmate Jack Thompson20-10-5

    In comparison in 1923 Jack Renault beat Fulton twice,Godfrey,Floyd Johnson and Tom Cowler

    1924 Wills beat Firpo by dec, Firpo had been massacred by Dempsey and was not in top shape for Wills, he had gained weight and not trained diligently.The newpapers said Wills eliminated himself by his showing in this fight. Wills also beat Bartley Madden .

    1924 Renault had 13 fights, losing just one on a dubious decision. among those he beat were Godfrey,Homer Smith, Madden and Roper.

    1925 Wills beat clever boxer Charley Weinert ,and fringe contender Floyd Johnson.
    1926 Wills was beat up by Jack Sharkey and fouled out to save himself from a ko.
    Wills was never the number one contender for 7 straight years. You can criticize Dempsey for not fighting Wills, you can equally criticize Wills for not fighting :
    Tunney
    Godfrey
    Gibbons
    Maloney
    Rojas
    Renault
    Gorman.
    All ranked men when he was.
    How about fights with Greb ,Miske, and Brennan?
    Never happened.:think
     
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    And you base this opinion on all the footage of Fulton that you have seen?
    Fulton had a first class jab , he ruined Langford with it permanently damaging his eyesight
     
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    Wills best wins during Dempsey's reign were over former Dempsey ko victims Firpo and Fulton.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    Agenda ridden BS Mcvey. You can **** on anyones career and record in the way you've just done. But you need to make your mind up if Fulton is a good boxer or not.

    As for white contenders he didn't face, most of the white boxers of the day drew the colour line and avoided Wills. This has been pointed out to you many times and evidence has been shown but you constantly ignore it.