Johnson- Jeffries: What am I missing?

Although he signed to fight Jeannette twice and the authorities vetoed both fights?
Agreed to fight Langford if he could come up with a binding $5000,he couldn't. Johnson beat Jeannette several times and dropped him multiple times in their series.Jeannette never managed to return the favour. Keep that hate coming:good

Below Johnson agrees to fight McVey after McVey beats Langford.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19111230.2.27#

 

Can we crowd fund the McVey Mendoza bout and be done with it?

 

I'll always correct deliberate lies ,sorry if that offends.

 

We can't sanction that bout, we would be complicit in the death of McVey.... and we don't even know the guy, well we know all the bad bits.

 

Liars always lose. You should know that by now. My money is on mcvey.

 

:deal


Also, on top of that great summary, Johnson was a true puncher. He scored some big knockouts.

 

Do either of them know what the other looks like?

What if one of them is 140lb, and the other guy is Shannon Briggs

It might end bad

 

At 1:00 of that clip that guy on the right is John Sullivan.

 

Mendoza told me he is 6'3" in his 30's and," hits a ton," I don't know what he weighs. I currently weigh 192lbs
Back to topic.

 

You'd last about as long a John Ruiz did vs Tua unless I decided to do some artwork on your face.

You're old, very foolish, a liar, and if you're built like the typical Englishman I saw, a bit feminine in the face with a round stomach. 5'9" at 192 pounds = fat.

Apologies to the rest of the good posters in the UK. Back to the topic...

 

Cr@p. Just like Dempsey signed to fight Willis, but knew the fight would not happen. As champion Johnson had big time offers from known promoters to fight Langford, Jeannette and Mcvey in nations like France, and Australia. The fact is he always had an excuse, even vs two super middles as champion and a journeyman.

You sure like fighters who ducked their best competition! Suits you well.

 

Yeah you sure went back to the topic didn't you?
You have the opportunity to do that art work in July when I visit New York,Ill meet you outside Jimmy's Corner Bar on 44th St,there's an alley behind it.

BTW . When's your next Klan meeting?

F*cking WILLISatsch
How can you f*ck up the spelling of a 5 letter name?:-(

 

I think the problem for anyone trying to assess their skills from this fight is as follows.
Jeffries was coming out of an extended retirement, he was down to weight very early for the fight,[ maybe he overtrained] but he did not spar enough and certainly not enough with young quick clever boxers.He complained during the fight that he could not get his distance and his renowned strength was more than matched by Johnson.
Inactivity had robbed Jeffries of his stamina and endurance ,two huge playing cards in his armoury, and he had never faced a clever boxer who was a physical match for him.
He should not be judged on this fight and since we only have blurry glimpses of him against Sharkey and Ruhlin ,it is hard to formulate an opinion of his ability with any confidence.
Against Sharkey he simply waits for the smaller man to come in and counters him. Against the backpedalling Ruhlin, Jeffries assumes the role of aggressor ,stalking Ruhlin his chin tucked into his shoulder whilst looking to unload to Gus's body.
He appears something of a juggernaut here but also looks open to right hands to the head imo there is no appreciable head movement from him at all , and he doesn't appear to have much of an answer for the few jabs that Ruhlin throws.
Jeffries also doesn't throw any jabs himself.
Jeffries was considered much improved by the time he beat the aging Corbett the second time,but Corbett was a shell by then and only fighting for the money so on that basis it is difficult to judge.
Jeffries was a huge man for his time and relied heavily on his durability and strength.That maybe fine when you are fighting smaller older men, perhaps he felt he could afford to take their punches? I would suggest he would have to radically rethink his strategy should he be fighting in the late 20th and 21st centuries.

Johnson is just as difficult to pin down he was notorious for only just doing enough to win, he stood with his left foot forward pointed directly at his opponent and his right foot behind him at a right angle.He was a master of infighting containing his opponents in his powerful hands and ripping in uppercuts from both hands, his arms were always inside his opponents, nullifying there efforts and taking the impetus out of their punches.

He too would have to adapt to the modern game,[unless he fought in Germany and had the benefit of the referee's Wlad has had,the third man in the Chisora v PUlev fight was another he allowed Pulev to half strangle Chisora all night.]
The difference between Johnson and Wlad for example is Johnson was a terrific infighter and Wlad does not have a clue inside .
An expert as blocking and parrying blows ,it remains to be seen how he would cope with a fast handed combination puncher such as a Dempsey,a Louis ,or a Tyson?
Those who believe Johnson rarely utilised the jab should read the reports of his 3rd and last fight with Sam McVey, in which Johnson is described as ripping McVey to pieces with his .
So in summary both men would have to make radical adjustments to compete in the modern game.I believe Johnson would be best suited to do so.
Watching Jeffries plod after Ruhlin,[ on admittedly poor film,] I see nothing that a Bermane Stiverne ,or a Lamon Brewster would not be capable of. Added to this is the fact that today he would be a medium sized heavyweight at best and his previous size advantage would be non -existant

I hope this in some way, makes up for the times when the thread went off piste ,due to an agenda driven poster?