Johnson was covering his eyes

You are entitled to your opinion it is well stated, and as valid as the next man's , for my part, I think anyone calling a professional fighter who engaged in 77 known fights beginning as a starving teenager in battle royals , and ending as a 54 year old man fighting, out of any kind of shape, against young studs ,eager to make a name for themselves by koing a legend , usually with 95% of the crowd baying for his blood ,denotes a man of courage. And for Mendoza, of all people, to be questioning a proffesional boxers bravery, is not only ludicrous, it is obscene.

 

I am not sure if i was clear or not, but i am in no way questioning Johnson's courage at all. It is just that he was very, very smart in that he knew when enough was enough. Several others did not and it was to their own detriment.

 

Yep, I can spot them from 3,000 miles away on the web. You're one of them:deal Now, back to the thread. Johnson was a quitter in the ring. If he really said I'll quit if he beaten on, that fits his style and actions pre and post Willard.

 

Not a Johnson fan. He was a dick. Fairly insufferable man, and a boring as hell fighter to watch.

No fighter, much less a champion, is a coward. To say otherwise is to show your own inexperience in prize fighting. How many pro fights have you had? How many high ranking opponents have you faced? How heavy were the punches that landed on you? How tired were you?

Until your answers to these questions are truthfully in the same league as the fighter you are referring to, you arent giving an informed opinion. You are just talking out of your ass.

Even when we don't like a champion, lets try to be civil, and keep words like coward, bum, dog, and quitter out of it. It takes a man with cajones like a bull to achieve what JJ achieved. Or any fighter, really.

 

Talking out of his ass is Mendoza's specialty.
Mendoza ran out of a fight with me ,he is 35 I am 62 , he calls Johnson a coward,I call him a c**t.

 

Johnson dropped in '15 down in Cuba in round 26 from Willard's right to his jaw. Johnson was aged, faded and spent when he was decked. I'm sure Johnson knew he was down in round 26, but he was too tired and poorly conditioned to do anything about it. He accepted the defeat and instinctly shield his eyes from the sun. 'Nuff said...
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Johnson's tale later on that he was waiting on a bag of cash to be delivered at ringside and was also waiting on the signal that it arrived before taking a dive sounds sketchy to me. If Johnson was gonna dive, he would've had that bag delivered much sooner then 26 rds of action...

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Stop lying. I told you to pick a ring, you never did. I asked for your email, and you knew why, you declined. Then disappear for 3+ months from the is forum, and send me a PM when I am on vacation. Those are the facts. My conscience is clear. Yours is not.

I call Johnson a liar, a wife beater, a pimp, an A-hole, a good fighter for his time, and a horrible champion who avoided the best competition.

 

Johnson ain't the lone ranger in this instance.

 

We had the trial ,you 've been judged and found guilty, now stop being a total ***** and post something worth reading.
Johnson was a coward, because he retired after seven rounds against a young heavyweight who had floored him in the previous round?

The man was 48 years old for ****'s sake.

Aren't you the knobhead who defends Vitali Klitschko for quitting against light hitting Chris Byrd?

Vitali was 28 ,20 years younger than Johnson,6inches taller and 34lbs heavier than Byrd, and winning the fight , he only had to coast for 3 more rounds and he had it won.

You are the last person on this forum to be talking about courage and the lack of it.

You pathetic ***** , stop ****ing up threads with your biased hatred.

 

I think there is no doubt that the KO was real ... There is little doubt that Johnson came into the ring fat and in not his best shape. Willard was not just four years younger but in the best shape of his life, mentally and physically. Jess did begin to gain more ground in the later rounds but they were more even that Willard dominating ... however, like the first Corbett-Jeffries fight, the winner was not losing every second till one punch turned it , it's simply legend ... Johnson was clearly tiring and Willard, to his credit, was strong as a bull ... that being said by all accounts Johnson put on an amazing display of skill and heart for the first 15 rounds or so .. it's in many of the newspapers covering the fight ..

I have wondered how this Willard would have held up against the Dempsey of Toledo who almost punched himself out .. it would have been interesting ..

 

Jack Johnson simply ran out of gas and Willard lined him up for the finish.

Willard while never a great 10 or 15 round fighter was seen as an almost unbeatable task in a fight to the finish after this bout. As long as he could dictate the terms of the fight (and he could as champion), he wouldn't be beaten it was thought. The Willard-Fulton fight didn't take place partly because of Willard insisting that they go 20 or more rounds. Dempsey of course proved this notion wrong, which is why his KO of Willard made such a big impact at the time.

 

Johnson was age 37 in 1915 and fighting in high temps down in Cuba and was weighing in the middle 220s by then.....

The Johnson of 1910 and age 32 and around 212 pounds was properly trained.... The Johnson in Cuba was not properly tuned at all...

Willard won....:deal

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