Joshua v Whyte April 13th

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah.
    Like I said months ago, he'll always be the cash cow but if Wilder or Fury (esp. Fury, who dethroned WK years ago for all the belts AJ holds now) establish themselves in the perception of all boxing and sports fans as serious threats to Joshua's credibility (which is happening already) it's maybe a case of him needing them more than they need him.
    In financial terms, even after a rematch, Wilder and Fury might still not command 50% based purely on comparing financial performance (although that rematch could blow right up into something mega-big for all we know), but they cast a huge shadow over AJ already, and he might have to pay up if he wants any sort of credible legacy.
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah, if Tyson Fury wasn't away getting hammered, Joshua wouldn't have had the opportunity to pick up the WBA and WBO belts.
    And, in fact, Hearn and AJ grabbing the IBF title in a much-hyped "world heavyweiht title fight" in London was arguably disrespectful to the real world champion and fellow Brit Fury back in April 2016.
    A few decades ago the BBBoC wouldn't have even allowed it.
     
  3. Holler

    Holler Your business name could appear here! Full Member

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    He vacated that belt, how was Joshua fighting for it disrespectful?
     
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  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was stripped, or was about to be stripped, by the IBF because he was contracted to a KLitschko rematch. They stripped him with a week of him beating KLitschko. They said Glazkhov was the next in line. It was ridiculous.
    Glazkhov faced Martin less than 2 months later, twisted his ankle and lost, for the vacant IBF belt, a completely discredited title and an insult to Fury (and Klitschko, arguably).
    Hearn took his chance to slip Joshua in, brought Martin over to UK with a ton of hype and pretended it was a legitimate world heavyweight title fight, with all the strength of the SKY media machine behind it.
     
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  6. Holler

    Holler Your business name could appear here! Full Member

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    I don't think you've established where the disrespect from Joshua comes in? You have an issue with the IBF, which is notorious for requiring its mandatories be taken and doesn't recognise rematch clauses with former champions as a valid deferment reason. Then you attack Hearn for making the fight and Sky for marketing it as a world heavyweight title fight, which, by definition, it was?

    Look at it another way, with Fury going off the rails, with news of positive drug tests, with him announcing his retirement, twice... just what would you consider the respectful action for Joshu to take?
     
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  7. lewis gassed

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    Is Warren calling Usyk a bum?
    What a moron.
     
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  8. TBC-ASAP

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    No but fighting AJ first time up at HW is hardly the ideal prep for Usyk
     
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  9. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was disrespectful of Eddie Hearn to keep talking of the fight as the world heavyweight championship.
    Listen to how many times he says "the heavyweight championship of the world" even in the first minute of this video.



    I'm not making a big deal of the "disrespect", it's all part of the business. I'm just countering your insinuation that Fury/Joshua disrespect is wholly one-sided or originates wholly from Fury, and pointing out that Joshua benefitted from Fury's misfortunes (much of which was Fury's own doing, true, but not all).

    The IBF sanctioned the Klitschko-Fury fight and must have known about a rematch clause so it makes no sense for them to strip Fury. Truth is, they probably never thought Fury would win.
    The IBF have since granted extensions to Joshua, over the subject of mandatories.
    But we both know boxing is corrupt.

    That all happened after Joshua v Martin.

    Joshua is under no obligation to be respectful to Fury or anyone.
    But Joseph Parker acknowledged many times that he (and Joshua) owed their position to Fury, ever since he defeated Klitschko in Dusseldorf.
    The fact is, Joshua was at least 18 to 24 months away from being moved towards a world title fight, Hearn had no plans whatsoever to get him anywhere near Wlad at that point, but Fury's win and the IBF's strange ruling opened it up for him.
    It doesn't matter to me if Joshua acknowledges any of this or not, but Fury's "disrespect" towards AJ and Hearn is understandable and should be seen in context.
    But as said, it is all business.
     
  10. Scissors

    Scissors Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was it disrespectful to test positive for performing enhancing drugs after winning the world title or is that just allowed and forgotten about?
     
  11. Mod-Mania

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    AJ will never ever need or Wilder or Fury more than they need him.
     
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  12. Ike-Man

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    It was disrespectful of Joshua to fight for a title Fury vacated because he was more interested in getting pissed, taking drugs and eating himself stupid then defend the title was it?? Hardly.
     
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    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't forget the disrespect in making Klitchko forever wait for a rematch keeping him out of the ring as Fury ducked him twice.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know.
    Everyone is free to form their own opinion on testing positive for cocaine and/or nandrolone.
    Personally I couldn't give a flying ****.
     
  15. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No.
    You people aren't getting it.
    Tyson Fury didn't vacate the IBF title. He was stripped, within a few days of beating Klitschko.
     

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