Joshua vs Wilder

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    What big fights are theses exactly?

    Explain how it is a good deal, when it has been revealed that in order for any of the top HW's to fight Fury, they would have to sign with ESPN themselves.

    You think Joshua will be prepared to leave Sky to sign up with ESPN?

    And how is it a good deal for Fury if he no longer has any direct say on how he fights in future which is now decided by Bob Arum? Further to that is the fact that Fury without any belt has stated in no uncertain terms that any potential future opponent will have to bow down to his demands since he sees himself as the ''daddy'' A side.

    Please let me know if these questions quantify as ''hate''
     
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  2. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you look at the stats you'll see I make about six or seven posts a day. The way I look at these things is that they're a place to read and chat about boxing when you're sat on the bus, or sat on the can, or lying in bed when you've woken up early.

    When I say you come across like some paranoid maniac is when you suggest someone making seven or so posts a day is 'dedicating their life' to it. You say you're not but you come across as so defensive and thin skinned about Fury that it's very noteworthy.
     
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  3. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder and AJ, obviously.

    It's a good deal because it's worth tens of millions, obviously.

    Networks have done dual broadcasts plenty of times in the past. It can happen. Although I don't believe Wilder or AJ are contracted to a US network.

    Sky and ESPN have nothing to do with each other. One UK, one US.

    Most fighters allow their promotional team to pick their opponents. It's kind of how the game works.

    Fury is just talking a big game. He's a self promoter and talks absolute rubbish like every other promoter in the sport.
     
  4. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You and I both know you spend a ridiculous amount of time criticising Fury. Anyone who reads the brit forum knows it. It's your modus operandi.

    Likewise I spend a lot of time defending him but he's my favourite fighter. He's brought me a lot of joy throughout his career. Why wouldn't I defend the man when he's being treated incredibly unfairly by men like yourself. Although it's only you, and Sepiroth whatever who spend so much time at it. The latter less so, and on the general moreso than here.
     
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  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    I can't see it happening considering it is clear that either Wilder or Joshua would have to fight 5 bums under ESPN before they would be given the opportunity to fight Fury.

    Don't me believe me?

    *******.com has been informed that the first fight of that proposed deal for Wilder would require him to fight someone other than Fury on ESPN+, the streaming service Arum’s company is helping ESPN push. Wilder would be paid handsomely to fight an undetermined opponent next on ESPN+ because Top Rank’s budget for fights on ESPN+ is bigger than its budget for fights on ESPN.

    A Wilder-Fury rematch is part of that five-fight offer, yet that deal could require Wilder (40-0-1, 39 KOs) to take multiple fights before facing Fury (27-0-1, 19 KOs) a second time in an ESPN Pay-Per-View main event.


    Wilder rightly turned it down. It's as ludicrous as Hearn's 5 fight deal which he proposed to Fury when he was returning to boxing, which Fury rightly rejected and criticized Hearn for.

    And now he's turning around and doing the same thing to others.

    Can you see the contradiction here?

    There is selft promotion and then there are complete lies and contradiction. Fury falls into the latter.

    What makes me sick is the fact that he boasted about sending millions to charity, yet when prompted turned around and says he's not going to answer because it's personal. Using the sick and homeless to for PR is detestable

    That isn't self promotion that is a self seeking opportunist preying on the weak and helpless.
     
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  6. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's clearly ESPN's first offer. Circumstances change, as do offers. Hearn has gone from offering Wilder 15 million dollars to considering 50%.

    You've no evidence wether Fury gave millions to charity or not. It's literally an assumption. I'm not saying he did, but I'm not saying he didn't because we've no evidence either way.
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    We will see in regards to any improved offers. By that time there is the danger Wilder would have moved on and set his sights on a unification with AJ, freezing Fury out. And then we will hear fury shouting from the rooftops that they're both ducking him.

    As for the charity it is clear he is lying, otherwise he wouldn't be so defensive when pressed on the question and have a rehearsed answer as to why he chooses not to confirm whether he did or not. He's incapable of answering simply yes or no.

    Fury has never been shy in showing himself off donating to charities in the past. He's donated to hospitals and cancer funds whilst appearing in photographs whilstnd their names have been disclosed.

    All of a sudden we're meant to be believe he is too much of a humble martyr to disclose what charity he gave away his purse to!
     
  8. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Assumption is the mother of all **** up's chief, and you just can't help yourself. "What if......." How about waiting and seeing, before spending a day lambasting someone on your uneducated assumptions. You've no idea of what's happening on the inside. Literally no idea yet here you are, assuming what you want to assume, and lambasting people because of it. It's madness.

    So you say he's done lots of charity work before, but couldn't have donated millions this time, because you're not happy with how he answered a question? No actual evidence to prove otherwise of course. Looks like yet another load of assumptions on your part.

    Don't understand your mentality myself. Personally, I like a few facts before I go off on one for the day.
     
  9. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    I do know what's happening which is how I was able to confidently say hat fury would pull out fo the rematch shortly after the first fight finished.

    Wilder will fight Breazelle and then renegotiate with Joshua for unification and whoever is the unified champion will freeze Fury out or throw him a bone,by tell him he needs to fight 5 more opponents before he can get a shot.

    You can't keep screwing people over and not expect it to come back and bite you on the bum

    As for the charity yes he has donated before but never anywhere close to millions and it's not always been money. However he has never been shy in letting the world know that he was helping

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    If he was telling the truth and he did indeed donate his purse, all he had to say was ''yes I did donate however I do not wish to make a big deal about it because it's personal to me.''

    Instead he completely dodges the question like a snake oil salesman and goes on a rant about not being a do-gooder even though it was him that brought it up in the first place to make himself look good.
     
  10. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ha ha ha, mates with Frank Warren, are you? You know feck all buddy. You made a hopeful call and got it right. Congratulations. Doesn't mean the rematch won't happen and it certainly doesn't mean you know ESPN's plans for Tyson Fury.

    Again, it's just a wishful assumption on your part. Fury's new stance on charity work seems to be he doesn't reveal. Granted he has in the past, but he's a man of contradictions. Very impulsive, always been that way. Still doesn't mean he didn't donate a truckload of cash to charity and until you can actually prove otherwise, you're just another raving madman on the internet.
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    You will see in due course and when I am proven right once again I expect to hear a groveling apology instead of more excuses.

    Expect to see the Charrs, seferi's, Jennings and Parkers of the HW billed against Fury on ESPN.

    Expect to hear talk of these fights being interesting stylistic match ups and of course the old chestnut of ' who else is he meant to fight" :lol:

    I for one hope you enjoy watching Fury fighting these types of fights for the rest of his career considering how much you vehemently defend all that he does. You deserve to be compensated in some form for your efforts and blind devoted support.

    I do not wish to shatter the delusional belief that there is a possibility that he donated all of his purse to charity and is merely too honourable to confirm such a deed.

    You've invested so much in his fairy tale that it would be wrong of me to expect to find any cynicism in your assessment.

    That would be akin to telling a small child that Santa wasn't really the one who delivered their presents.
     
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  12. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Parker's" - Errr, Parker is a genuine top ten heavyweight. Dunno where you're going with that one. It's a solid fight and a solid win. If Fury has five fights on ESPN without fighting AJ or Wilder, I'll post a video apologising to the great Sepiroth Rising 7, who is not only the most knowledgeable poster on the forum, but can also tell the future. Although something tells me a hugely succesful network like ESPN know how to utilise a tens of millions investment.

    Why would I care about Tyson Fury's charity work? I'm a bloody boxing fan. I was merely pointing out that you haven't got a fraction of evidence to back up claims he hasn't given a few million to charity.
     
  13. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Arum has not had a Top Heavy in a while.

    He is gonna milk Fury until there is nothing to milk anymore and only then he will allow a Fury Wilder/AJ showdown.

    Proof ? Check out Mayweather/Pac. The end and absolute fact.
     
  14. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury can't generate a fraction of what Pac could. Fury's earning power will come solely from facing AJ and Wilder and subsequently defending as undisputed champion. Anything else will be a huge loss of money.
     
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  15. TonyHayers

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    I've asked this before but how do you milk an audience with a guy who has no fans?
     
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